Deity Isolation Workshop (Stan/Norm/Fractal/NH/NE)
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Saves from my practice game. Could have got Optics earlier, but would be far behind in infra & cities. A few things could have been optimized a bit better, but I'm pretty satisfied with the overall timing. Should be in a decent position if the AIs are not monsters.
If you're going to look at the saves, I'd suggest you play it to, Lain (doesn't matter if you play fast), to get a feel for the map. I also think it's a very good island for practice (can probably say that for all games, but idk, I really enjoyed this one).
I'll play it to the end, not sure how long it's gonna take.
If you're going to look at the saves, I'd suggest you play it to, Lain (doesn't matter if you play fast), to get a feel for the map. I also think it's a very good island for practice (can probably say that for all games, but idk, I really enjoyed this one).
I'll play it to the end, not sure how long it's gonna take.
Well it's a low commerce start. And while the island has some growth potential, it does still have lower commerce than 90% of the maps played here. Now ofc it has a decent amount of land and resources to trade after Astro, so it's not necessarily very hard.
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Uh you have 3 river tiles in cap, Osaka on a river with great food, seafood, river spot west..
maybe i judge this wrong, but it's much much commerce richer than Mao or Sally.
Imo it's average, but not close to low. Most maps have some rivers, but here they are in good places and with lots of food (easy on scientists).
maybe i judge this wrong, but it's much much commerce richer than Mao or Sally.
Imo it's average, but not close to low. Most maps have some rivers, but here they are in good places and with lots of food (easy on scientists).
Ofc it's much commerce richer than Mao or Sally. It's also richer than the Charly and Toku games I posted a while ago. But these are the only map that we've played here that had lower commerce than this one. 2 scientists were pretty easy to get, but one had to be squeezed in the clam city -- couldn't grow past size 5 because of this.
Then again I'm not saying that it is a very hard map (cos it obvsl isn't), but it's definitely a low commerce start. If you consider this average, then you must consider most maps we've played here very rich.
Anyways, there's no real point in arguing about that, we might have conceptions of what is "low commerce" etc. My main question was: who would you attack? I planned to attack Vicky, and 10T later it does still look like it's a good option. (I'm not the one who said we should focus more on the post-Optics stuff
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Then again I'm not saying that it is a very hard map (cos it obvsl isn't), but it's definitely a low commerce start. If you consider this average, then you must consider most maps we've played here very rich.
Anyways, there's no real point in arguing about that, we might have conceptions of what is "low commerce" etc. My main question was: who would you attack? I planned to attack Vicky, and 10T later it does still look like it's a good option. (I'm not the one who said we should focus more on the post-Optics stuff
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Too minimalistic? I'm @T160 atm and it doesn't look too bad (even though trades are not great, AIs going Merc etc.) -- for now it has that "well-played game" feeling. Ofc I've made a few minor mistakes but I can't spot any big thing that I could've missed. Now I know you have that nasty habit of proving me wrong, so I'm really eager to dig into your saves
Btw why did you play this particular toku game? It's by far not the most thrilling map of the last few weeks. Oh and don't forget to take saves of the mid & late game aswell, I really open everything
Btw why did you play this particular toku game? It's by far not the most thrilling map of the last few weeks. Oh and don't forget to take saves of the mid & late game aswell, I really open everything
It's a good game. I just feel that you perhaps stayed on 4 cities for too long as there are so many good tiles available. Especially settling fish+pigs next to capital so late must be a mistake. I refuse to believe that's right! It goes against my philosophy.
I just took the most recent game in the thread.
I just took the most recent game in the thread.
Update on my game -
Edit - @Rusten yeah, but what are you going to do with the fish+pig spot before Optics anyway? It will be at a net negative on maintenance and will delay your Optics date (mine wasn't great already). That city had a forge ready in time to whip units, so it didn't feel wrong to settle it so late. But then maybe you'll manage to settle it early & get a decent Optics/Astro date.. not sure if it's possible (I couldn't do it)
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Edit - @Rusten yeah, but what are you going to do with the fish+pig spot before Optics anyway? It will be at a net negative on maintenance and will delay your Optics date (mine wasn't great already). That city had a forge ready in time to whip units, so it didn't feel wrong to settle it so late. But then maybe you'll manage to settle it early & get a decent Optics/Astro date.. not sure if it's possible (I couldn't do it)
. Noticing some improvement for sure, had to attack vs Rifles and might even win. Still unhappy with some stuff though.
. Happiness situation becomes bad, can't afford the transition to workshops, everything goes to hell. One bad fight and gg. For example he almost took back an important city, survived with one defende and took cease fire. Shouldn't be that hard?@Fippy yup Monty DoW'd Mehmed and kicked his ass, and there was nothing I could do about it because of "we'd rather win the game, tyvm". But now Mehm has Rifles so it might be a bit better. I'll bribe Featherhead off him ASAP
@Rusten I'm interested to see how you play it with CoL. In my game that would have meant really late Optics, especially if settling more cities.
@Rusten I'm interested to see how you play it with CoL. In my game that would have meant really late Optics, especially if settling more cities.
@Lain actually if you have some land I think it can be good to slowly transition to a workshop economy from Chemistry onwards. Then you can make a double switch to Nationhood+CS when reaching Rifling. That's what I did in my Toku game and I'm not having any unhappiness/production issues.
(haven't looked at your saves though as I plan to play this map)
(haven't looked at your saves though as I plan to play this map)
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I always try the workshop transition thingy, but it's kind of too slow. I killed like 90 units just to take out one guy, basically.
The cottaged cities produce like one Rifle/Cannon every 7-8 turns, doesn't cut it. Would be more elegant though. I know I could have played better with the micro and everything, but I must be missing something in the later game, because attacking 5T earlier can't be the solution. 1250 AD Rifle/Cannon combo should be good enough to win average games, no? :/
The cottaged cities produce like one Rifle/Cannon every 7-8 turns, doesn't cut it. Would be more elegant though. I know I could have played better with the micro and everything, but I must be missing something in the later game, because attacking 5T earlier can't be the solution. 1250 AD Rifle/Cannon combo should be good enough to win average games, no? :/
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