It's called "having an opinion". If having faith in your own is a crime, you'd be ahead of me in the line!
Deny, Defend, Depose
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Zardnaar
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Opinions are fine. It's when you think your opinions the ne true way or you trying impose it on others.
I'm aware my opinion is a minority one and I more interested in the goal vs specifics on getting there.
Stones, glass houses, and so on.
Anyhow, progressives have nothing to do with minorities existing, or people choosing to ignore them.
Reading this thread I am simply amazed at the level of support and/or indifference for the murder of someone. I find this completely chilling.
As a few notable others have said, respect for the rule of law is a fundamental requirement for democracy to function.
As a few notable others have said, respect for the rule of law is a fundamental requirement for democracy to function.
How many people died as a direct result of this guy's company? Where is your level of concern at for that, and where did you ever state it before today?
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And as we all know, law is only for the poor
It’s not relevant. Whatever your views of someone, this is never acceptable to murder them. It’s that simple!
Why is (effectively for all intents and purposes) murder not relevant to murder?
Like I can understand the disagreement about level of support, but you seem to even be questioning the indifference shown. And from there you've moved onto a new declaration: murder bad.
Yes, murder bad. US medical insurance companies: bad.
I don't think it's been lost at all. And your continuing failure to recognise the impact on the US medical healthcare industry on the circumstances surrounding an isolated incident is probably related to your overall analysis.
Zardnaar
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Interesting thought experiment. Replace CEO of a Healthcare company with the perp being a cop or the victim being trans or a Communist.
Communists directly killed millions right?
I understand the shooting but don't justify it. If you oppose the state imposing the death penalty with due process this isn't even that.
He's not the most sympathetic victim ever.
You gave a built in process to change things peacefully problem is you keep losing.
Akka
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There is a difference between "how you consider society should work" and "how you feel about a specific case".
When it comes to society, terrorism and murder should not be considered acceptable - and as a side note, making profit from human misery, especially when you're deliberately trying to deprive them of what should be them and that it causes pain and death, should also not be considered acceptable in society.
When it comes to personal feeling, I completely don't care about this guy getting offed. Why should I not be indifferent that bad things happen to such a ghoul ? I don't have a moral obligation to feel bad for profiteering psychopaths, I'll keep my outrage for the people he wronged while filling his pockets instead.
Estebonrober
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Is this when I bring up consent of the governed or the lack thereof?
No its front and center in this thread, its the point of the thread lol
Manfred Belheim
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It obviously escaped your attention how many CFC OTers aren't really all that big on the whole democracy thing.
Senethro
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What if it doesn't produce reasonably equitable results, and it resists reform, and doesn't seem responsive to any changing needs of the majority?
I'd call that a bad democracy, rather than saying democracy is bad.
I'd call that a bad democracy, rather than saying democracy is bad.
Akka
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While I do agree that a worrying amount of people don't really care about democracy and just about their own opinion being enforced, I'd like to point that in this specific case, the public reaction of smirk and indifference (going widely beyond these forums) is precisely due to a status quo that is held despite a significant opposition from the public at large, i.e. a denial of democratic will. It's a flaw that seems to be present in the system, and if democracy is to survive, it has to be able to deal with such cases and prevent them to endure, so that people consider a murder heinous and not an escapist solution.
Estebonrober
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lol @ the US being a democracy... it's not even close to one.
Zardnaar
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Depends on how the democracy is set up yes.
Manfred Belheim
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I too like to lol at things whilst quoting people not saying the thing I'm lolling at.
It's really annoying when people just assume I've ever watched this show. Seinfeld quotes and clips intended as either "explanations" or "gotchas" accomplish exactly NOTHING for me, because I've never seen any of it (other than this and that stupid soup thing - had to watch that because a bunch of people kept yapping about it on TrekBBS, like it was supposed to mean something).
You'd think so, right? But when various parts of the legal process doesn't respect either the rule of law or democracy, what do you expect from people?
We see from history that when the people in charge perpetuate misery to enrich themselves, or at least are indifferent to the misery of the people they're supposed to care for, there comes a time when one line too many is crossed, and consequences happen. It's a good thing that political assassination never caught on as a 'normal' thing in Canada (the last one was in 1970), or I can think of a few people who wouldn't be breathing right now. People don't even throw pies anymore, after that became classified as an assault.
I'm glad you agree that whatever this CEO's views of the people he was screwing over, it was never acceptable for him to essentially murder them and/or their children by denying their claims.
Some of us live in places where the current government is moving toward fascism and looking for ways to disenfranchise people, or at least make voting such a difficult, frustrating thing that they just won't bother.
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