Diplo for Team BABE

jb1964 · Aug 1, 2007

So what do you guys think of this?

So far the only response was not positive......

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=5762381&postcount=646

To the other teams:
Team Babe has put it to a vote and as of right now we're are planning to resign the game. If you can give us another day I'd appreciate it so we can discuss all the options. -The Whomper

Othniel · Aug 1, 2007

What gives?

Whomp sounded really grim in the thread so I think they mean business. Even if Saber has bottled up their invasion plans, that shouldn't be enough to cause a resignation. I mean, why else does the concept of a plan B exist?

Othniel · Aug 1, 2007

This could really jolt us if the Babes are gone. No ally to fight wars for us, and what would be the effect on the GLib? I think that would reduce us to "one contact" status, but I'm not sure.

It might be a little early to speculate on what the game would be like without them, but I suppose we should also be on top of the planning-ahead game.

I still wonder what has caused them to come to within a whisker's length of tossing in the towel. Perhaps all three of their horse resources disappeared on the inter-turn and reappeared on the Saber island? :crazyeye:

RFHolloway · Aug 2, 2007

I suppose the thought of pressing end turn until marines might just take the fun out of the game, if you had 100 MW's the GL and a safe galley route. However in that case I would have suspected that they just send all those MW's in our direction.

Edit - looks like I called it. they don't want to hang around until marines.

What was the decision on Howcha's? did they have lethal bombadment or not? could they be used from the back of a Galley?

killercane · Aug 2, 2007

I find it hard to believe that Sabre has their ENTIRE island surrounded with warriors, if so the BABEs should have realized this forever ago. And why not attack FREE???? These jokers are building settlers and are like only a couple galley moves away. Why doesnt BABE discuss with us the situation? There are many solutions to this problem.

RFHolloway · Aug 2, 2007

Or indeed backstab us (not that I am suggesting it!) - you guys want to call a council of war with Whomp, and chat it over. If they are giving up anyway they may spill some beans over their strategy, and we could offer suggestions. They are in a good place re contacts and have a pretty good idea of the world map, so offering to coordinate the exploration of the dark bits of the map - Riks comments hinted to me of some further surprises. They have GL so they would be at an advantage for the exploration in any case. Any undiscovered land will be chock full of barbs by now, so you'd need som MW's to settle it anyway.

Daghdha · Aug 2, 2007

W/o having read the whole thread in UN, I'm very surprised/disappointed they haven't discussed this with us in any way. They know they put us in a bad spot by abandoning and don't even bother to give us a call. Pathetic IMIO!

jb1964 · Aug 2, 2007

I spoke w/ Whomp at length and he was trying to argue that they should continue on and attack Council but it sounded like the rest of the team felt as if their element of surprise was gone and that they would be cut down at the shore.

Also, they had boats in place for a one turn re-supply and going to an alternate spot would screw that over as well.

Whomp seems like a voice of reason but he seems to have been shouted down.

killercane · Aug 2, 2007

I talked to Whomp as well. Only BCLG and Kickbooti want to continue. I think this is silly however. I think their fear is that everyone else has blocked off their shores as well. Shouldnt they journey on down to find that out? According to Whomp, Council is 3 turns away and Free is 8 turns. They signed a peace agreement with Council til turn 129.

I would at least backstab Council or go over to Free; I sent them the Free screenshot and told them Free's military strength (nil). I hate to say it, but what are they complaining about?? There seem to be simple, fun, and destructive options for them.

If everyone is blocked, then yes that would suck badly, but they havent even confirmed that.

jb1964 · Aug 2, 2007

Cane, I completely agree w/ you. I don't understand this attitude where they're number one target is blocked out and therefore they're ready to bag it.

And I also tried to toss some blood in the water by telling them that Free's a target ripe to be picked but I didn't seem to be getting through.

I think it was insane to make all this public. Let those that want to quit do so and let those that are willing to continue pick up the gauntlet and make the best of it by bloodying the hell out of somebody... anybody.

Othniel · Aug 2, 2007

Whomp said:
Well I can guarantee a 100k is impossible...

Oh really? Hmmph. :sad:

I guess that means we should just sell off all the culture stuff and get back to making units or some'in.

Let's prove him wrong, 'k?

Whomp posted that gem in the Coastal Fort/No Fort thread just a few minutes ago...

Anywhooo, I agree with you jb. Having the Babes rant about their frustrations in such a public way was quite ridiculous. They left a bitter taste in a lot of people 's mouth about this game, it seems. I almost want to see the Babes win just to see them have to eat some crow...almost.

Daghdha · Aug 3, 2007

I can only agree w what has being said. I never thought Babes to be so one track minded. And the element of surprise, if there ever was one, is blewn by themselves by now. If what has been said in UN by others, Babes choose an obvious strategy and Saber adjusted to that waaay back. It was bad planning, full stop. Cane has it right that there's a lot of evil, fun and creative ways to tackle the situation. What about trading blockades, cool diplo moves, creative handling of rescourses and a nerve wrecking race towards Astro. How can that be boring? They have a die-hard ally with both Pyramids and GongLib. How can they consider themselves dead meat? I just don't giddit.
I'm very excited about Whompers comment on 100K and that alone is fuel enough for me to fight for this game to continue.

Edit: how should we handle the situation w Babes. We have been low key and somewhat tounge in cheek in the UN which is perfect IMIO. We are going for the "impossible" 100K and Babes will soon find that out. How will they react? My vote goes to suggesting Babes gift us all cities but 1, sign a permanent RoP and then play as one team going for a 100K, blocking all the coast tiles. Stupid? Yes! But the proposal could make for fun reading if jb wrote it

Edit 2: Just sent a pm to Wotan saying we would be grateful if they didn't resign leaving us w/o an ally and a half strategy left. I also suggested the above with a

. Gift us all Babes cities, let Hefner's Palace be conquered, then choose to either leave the mtdg for good or join the Gongers.

Daghdha · Aug 3, 2007

Seems I wasn't too far out because this is exactly what's being discussed in the Babe forum (according to wotan). Babes are building infra that will stand through gifting, preparing to give us their island in one sweep. But, and this is a big one, first of all they wanna try for a cult-flip of one Saber city that's located near a one tiler Babes got just outside the Saber coast. They're packin it with culture right now and that's their plan A.2. Plan B is the gifting. They will, if A.2 failes, land whatever units they have on Dirtbags and wreck as much havoc as possible just before gifting us the lot :lol:

I said they could write an official proposal up if they wanted but not demanding it of course. Hopefully they will stand by this even when they see our cult-o-meter go boom. Funnily enough they're, by the looks of it, not anticipating our 100K and asking them to build culture insted of markets might be pushing it too far.
Anyways, this might turn out to be a very strange mtdg indeed. :crazyeye:

markh · Aug 3, 2007

Whomp stated that 100k is 100% out in their opinion, so I think they won't give attention the moment they notice our culture goes kaboom.

killercane · Aug 3, 2007

I doubt the admins would let BABE give us all their cities, but you never know! It would be quite hard to lose in that instance with appropriate defense.

Ansar · Aug 3, 2007

markh said:
Whomp stated that 100k is 100% out in their opinion, so I think they won't give attention the moment they notice our culture goes kaboom.

I do wonder if the other teams have even bothered to notice our culture...

Maybe they think we're going for 20k?

jb1964 · Aug 6, 2007

Conversation w/ Whomp....

BTW, did you send our Babe pals Engineering?

Spoiler :

killercane · Aug 9, 2007

Originally Posted by killercane
Crap I just realized that we forgot to send Engineering again. I will put a reminder to myself in the forum. Sorry about that, wasnt intentional and I hope you didnt need it this turn.

No problem with it, we have yet to find a way to get onto SABER island. Not sure we will go the distance, the debacle after SABER beachdefenses of sticks and stones we have lost most of our interest in this game. Building infrastructure now that will stay if we gift/sell you our cities. Planning to use our units to wreck as much havoc as possible prior to it though.
-Wotang Clan

Othniel · Aug 9, 2007

killercane said:
Building infrastructure now that will stay if we gift/sell you our cities.
-Wotang Clan

I don't know if anyone is serious on this--I really hope and suspect not--but if so, that's royally cheap. I'd hate that if I was on a third-party team and would have great reason to cry foul.

killercane · Aug 9, 2007

It would screw the game up royally, and I wouldnt think we would vote to accept regardless. I cant believe they are still on this woe is us thing, they really are sitting in the best position to win the game right now! Our culture is a gamble, but their military keeps them in good position regardless, and they are not in a tech hole so ?

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