DNES2: War and Civilization

[jalapeno_dude]

OOC: JAL! THAT COMMENT WAS MEANT TOWARDS YOU!

To Toju
From Taej Empire

Remember Taizu.

To Atu Gyta
From Taej Empire

All who desire are free to enter the Taej Empire.

Oh, that was directed towards me?

Look at the name! Of course it used to be part of Ormash. It's easy to tell--I name all of my cities -ash.

IC: Ormash wonders why the Orion Empire is considered the defender of Oruism. When Ormash controlled Oru, it respected the holy city and the religion of Orusim. The Orion Empire claims to be Oruan, yet it dares to rename the holy city and insult its name?

 

[Symphony D.]

THE TREATY OF ISMATAN
Signed By Representatives of the Orion and Taej Empires
April 3rd, 0275 AD​

In the course of human events it is self-evident that conflict will inevitably occur. It is the mark of the civilized and noble to resolve such disputes by diplomacy rather than war when possible. As such, the rulers and peoples of the Taej Empire and the Orion Empire, having cause for dispute over their mutual border, have arrived at the following resolution of conflict.

BE IT RESOLVED THAT:

1. The Orion Empire shall cede the city of Ismatan and surrounding territory to the Taej Empire and relenquish all claims upon it, now and forever.
2. The Taej Empire shall cede the territory surrounding the iron mines on the mutual border to the Orion Empire and relenquish all claims upon it, not and forever.
3. The Orion Empire shall agree to supply the Taej Empire with Gems in order to facilitate the growth of trade and friendship for a duration of not less than 50 years, until April 3rd, 0325 AD.
4. The Taej Empire shall recognize the authority of the Orion Empire in the Gyu State of Atu Gyta and shall attempt no interference.
5. The Orion Empire shall recognize the authority of the Taej Empire in the Gyu State of Toju and shall attempt no interference.
6. The Taej Empire shall agree to non-interference in the territory and affairs of the Orion Empire in perpetuity.
7. The Orion Empire shall agree to non-interference in the territory and affairs of the Taej Empire in perpetuity.
8. All territorial exchanges between the Taej Empire and the Orion Empire shall be carried out in accordance with the attached map.

Signed,
_______________
Emperor Li, Taej Empire
_______________
Emperor Himora, Orion Empire

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TO: Atu Gyta Gyu State
FROM: Orion Empire
As it stands, you have three options:

• You may fight for your land, lose, die, and fall forever.
• You may flee your land in disgrace to elsewhere.
• You may accept our overlordship, retain your ways and customs, and some measure of self-rule.

The choice here is yours. We expect your reply shortly.

TO: Ormash
FROM: Orion Empire
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. It is invariable in the course of a language's tenure that it change to accomidate its practitioners. Our scholars have striven to codify our dialect to more sensible rules and a more aesthetic tone; the result is that some vowel inflections in some words have changed. This has no bearing on their history or function, however.

 

[alex994]

OOC: Well jal, there are other considerations to take place such as whether the people want to join you and etc

IC:

His Imperial Majesty, Emperor Li of the Taej Empire signs the Treaty of Ismatan and affixes the Imperial Seal. May Peace Reign Eternal between our two Empires.

To Ormash
From Taej Empire

We must politely decline your offer. Whatever their ethnic origins, the people of Tanash are loyal subjects of His Imperial Majesty. All are equal in the eyes of the Emperor, and the Empire is One. (OOC: in essence, the people there have become assimilated by the Borg.)

 

[Daftpanzer]

very nice treaty, symphony

TO: Atu Gyta Gyu State
FROM: Orion Empire
As it stands, you have three options:

You may fight for your land, lose, die, and fall forever.
You may flee your land in disgrace to elsewhere.
You may accept our overlordship, retain your ways and customs, and some measure of self-rule.
The choice here is yours. We expect your reply shortly.

From: the warlord of Atu Gyta
To: the Orion Empire
Seeking protection of the Taej was as low as we can go. We will not beg for mercy from those who attacked us to begin with.

Now then, remember that we forced your first expedition to retreat. Who is to say we cannot repeat this feat?

So we thank you for this message, and you should know that our warriors will be waiting for the next Orion fools to stay into our lands.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

OOC: No hard feelings, Symphony. It just annoys me when people make name changes without thinking. What whould people think if, say, England would renamed Angland without warning?

From: Ormash
To: Orion Empire

We must respectfully disagree. Names are important, nay, essential, features of the world. How can the fallen spirits of Oruan warriors return home when Oru no longer exists?

From: Ormash
To: Taej Empire

Are you sure you wish to violate what is only proper--that a people should be ruled by their own kind?

 

[alex994]

To Ormash
From Taej Empire

They are the people of the Taej Empire. They have but the barest connection and trace of their ancient lineage to Ormash and have embraced the ways of the most ancient still existing state in the world.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

To Ormash
From Taej Empire

They are the people of the Taej Empire. They have but the barest connection and trace of their ancient lineage to Ormash and have embraced the ways of the most ancient still existing state in the world.

From: Ormash
To: Taej Empire

It has been less than 500 years since Tanash was a thriving city of Ormash.

To compare, the city of Ginash was founded by Ormash long ago. It soon fell under the sway of Rayam, and stayed there for over 1500 years. Yet the people of Ginash greeted the forces of Ormash as liberators.

Culture is the driving force of the world. Like the tide, it moves slowly, persisting for thousands of years. Do not be so foolish as to think that Tanash is truly Taej after so short a time.

 

[Symphony D.]

OOC: No hard feelings, Symphony. It just annoys me when people make name changes without thinking. What whould people think if, say, England would renamed Angland without warning?

OOC: It did, many times. Pronounciation and spelling are never set in stone, and change quite frequently in history. Permanency for names is only a modern invention. I did think about it, and I did it for a reason. IC:

TO: Ormash
FROM: Orion Empire
A man does not need to know the name of his home to find it. He knows it by the look, the scent, the feelings it evokes; a name can change once or a hundred times, and that does not alter the nature of a thing. What is the difference to a piece of marble whether it is called rock, stone, marble, or rubble? It retains its character whatever its name. We have sufficient faith in the souls of our warriors that they shall not be confused by a mere shift in pronounciation, for they shall know the truth of the place regardless of its name.

 

[jalapeno_dude]

OOC: It did, many times. Pronounciation and spelling are never set in stone, and change quite frequently in history. Permanency for names is only a modern invention. I did think about it, and I did it for a reason. IC:

TO: Ormash
FROM: Orion Empire
A man does not need to know the name of his home to find it. He knows it by the look, the scent, the feelings it evokes; a name can change once or a hundred times, and that does not alter the nature of a thing. What is the difference to a piece of marble whether it is called rock, stone, marble, or rubble? It retains its character whatever its name. We have sufficient faith in the souls of our warriors that they shall not be confused by a mere shift in pronounciation, for they shall know the truth of the place regardless of its name.

OOC: Of course it did. But not when it was actually a united country. Could the empires of Rome have renamed Rome to Ram?

IC:

From: Ormash
To: Orion Empire

Indeed, a name is but one of the many identifying characteristics of a place. But what if everything else about it has changed? Objects shift and change, so that a man may hardly recognize his hometown, or even his children, if he returns to it years later. But he trusts that it is the same because its name has not changed. Time changes places, and two places are linked in time because they have the same name, despite being different in all other aspects. If the name changes, then, what is there to link the two?

OOC: Daft, we should get story bonuses for philosophically significant diplo!

 

[Symphony D.]

TO: Ormash
FROM: Orion Empire
We must agree to disagree then. Is not the Taej Empire the continuation of Taejon? Or is not Antal a form of Agre reborn? Tian not Ulakam, or Kymash not Rayam? No, names change, places change, and people change. Change is the only constant in this world. Empires rise and fall, people are born and die, buildings are built and collapse. Am I, Emperor Himora, now in charge of something wholly seperate since I now lead the Orion Empire, instead of the Orian Empire? No. When I call the sky at dusk blue, you might call it violet; does that change the fact it is a sky at dusk? No. A name means nothing except in the eye of its beholder. For any given place on earth there might be a hundred names in a hundred tongues. None of these names changes the fundamental essence, the thisness of a place or a thing.

When one comes home from a long absence, one does not need to be told the name of home to know that is where he is. He can feel it in the earth beneath his feet and in the wind upon his face; he can taste it on the air and smell it; he can do all of this even if the sight of it has changed entirely for in some things regardless of how they might appear he will know instinctively their true nature. This is the very essence of the spirit; of knowing where it belongs. For this reason, it matters not if Oru was renamed to Oro, or Orikash, or any other name, nor if it grew to ten times its present sized or was entirely razed except for the holy places; its spirit would remain, much as no matter what is done to the soldiers of Oruism their spirits remain to return to it.

 

[Warman17]

To Rebels
From Autokrator Garvas IV

Lay down your arms and return to you former duties and all will be spared. Heed my words, when my armies come to crush your pathetic rebellion it will leave no survivors.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Could the empires of Rome have renamed Rome to Ram?

Funny you should mention that... did you ever read Empire of Greece- My First Story?

 

[Neverwonagame3]

And the city of Rome was once known as Roma. Similarly, Carthage was Carthago. I don't know that many, but i know a few more, if you're intrested.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Um, those are just the Anglicized and Romanized names of those places. The name remains the same in 1 language, but different in 2.

In the case discussed here, the name in 1 language was changed (not to be confused with translated).

 

[Neverwonagame3]

You might be right, but i've seen maps in English with those names there.

Also, i have more. In 1200, Chekoslovakia was Bohemia, the North Sea was the German Ocean, and the Brittanic and Cantabric seas were in the remaining parts of the Atlantic in the European known world. (Brittanic in the north, Cantabric in the south)

 

[das]

OOC:

Similarly, Carthage was Carthago

Hell no. It was QRT HDST.

Chekoslovakia was Bohemia

Only two-thirds of Czechia alone, actually...

However, nation names change as well. Just see Siam into Thailand, Burma into Myanmar and so forth. So IMHO there's nothing wrong with the name change.

Good update Daft - a very nice start indeed.

 

[das]

From: Antalese Empire
To: Turukan, Artan, Ak-Ibir tribes

The vassal system has not worked out too well for the Agrinese Empire. We propose that instead you join the Antalese Empire directly, though retaining a degree of internal independence and self-rule.

From: Antalese Empire
To: Byzar

What legitimate claim do you have to equality?

From: Antalese Empire
To: Knights of Mycenae

Very well, go south. We could not care less.

 

[Luckymoose]

From: Holy Rovien Empire
To: Germanica

We will agree to giving the former Saxon lands back to you. But we must also let you remember we helped you defeat them. Now help us defeat the Burgheim.

 

[The Farow]

From Empire of Germanica
To Rovien

Like we said we will help you finish the war once we get all of the fomer Saxon lands back to us excluding the ones that are in the core of Anguile.

 

[alex994]

From: Ormash
To: Taej Empire

It has been less than 500 years since Tanash was a thriving city of Ormash.

To compare, the city of Ginash was founded by Ormash long ago. It soon fell under the sway of Rayam, and stayed there for over 1500 years. Yet the people of Ginash greeted the forces of Ormash as liberators.

Culture is the driving force of the world. Like the tide, it moves slowly, persisting for thousands of years. Do not be so foolish as to think that Tanash is truly Taej after so short a time.

To Ormash
From Taej Empire

Perhaps the culture of the most ancient state in the world is much stronger then the former state of Rayam? The Tao has spoken, the people of Tanash are Han, not Ormashi. His word is unchallengeable.

OOC: If you don't believe me, go ask daft. He's "Tao" And I can't believe you're having an arguement with symphony over a name change