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Defender of the faith
Vote for what? A state? In that case no.
Originally posted by Yaniv
1) Even though Palestine is not a country it has its own government, (led by Arafat). Palestinians don't vote for the Israeli government, the same way Israelis don't vote for the Palestinian government (not that it's very democratic).
Originally posted by Yaniv
2) Palestinians are not aloowed into Israeli territory, unless they have a work pass. And Israelis are not allowed in Palestinian territory.
Originally posted by Yaniv
3) All Arabs which were in Israel at its birth were given full citizenship.
4) Being born in Israel does not make you an Israeli citizen. You are an Israeli only if you are born to Israeli parents. Thus, the children of illegal immigrants aren't citizens.
Originally posted by Yaniv
5) Israel was created as a Jewish state, so Jews can live there without the antisemetisim that occurred a few years before (the Nazis). Any law which attempts to break this is considered illegal. However, you are allowed to believe in whatever religion you like, such as Arab Israelies.
Originally posted by Yaniv
One more thing: Zulu, I'm not justifing every step Israel take much as I don't justify most of the steps the Palestinains take.
But calling Israel "brutal oppressor who murders people in his own country" and comparing it with Sadam is very foolish. I suggest you do some research before saying such silly things.
Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
Do the Basic Laws even include free speech?
By the way, quoting Noam Chomsky just sunk any credibility you may have had in this thread
Originally posted by Speedo
Irsael was created for jews to have their own state and govern themselves. I don't think they're going to give that up- especially since many of the people in question would like nothing better than to see the jews "driven into the sea." I have a feeling jews would say democracy be damned, and in their shoes I would agree.
Originally posted by Mr. Cackle
See that is the problem. Too many conservatives makead hominem arguments. They try and deny any credibility simply because of the person who said it, failing to ask if Chomsky provided any sources. If they really didn't believe it, then they should ask for Chomsky's source and see it for themself. Or go to Israel. Either way, there is some work involved. Unfortunately, many members of the board like to live in their narrow-minded cocoon of utopian capitalism.
Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
Irsael was created for jews to have their own state and govern themselves.
And South Africa was created especially for white people
Neither side is allowed to vote for the other. Israel is not Scotland.Originally posted by zulu9812
But are Palastinians able to vote in an election for the Israeli governemnt, if they want to? Scots are able to vote for both the Scottish and British parliaments, whilst English can only vote for the British parliament.
Do Israelis want to go into Palastinian territory? Actually, we've already seen what happens when they want to live there. The land is nationalised for Jews only and the Palastinians are booted out.
This is racism
When Israel was created as a Jewish state, did anyone bother to ask the Palastinians - as it was their country?
Yaniv, I didn't compare the Israeli government with Saddam Hussein - the audience member on that MTV forum did. Nonetheless, Israel does perpetrate state terror against Palastinians and others. There are many, many examples. A lot of killings seem to occur because the I.D.F. get trigger happy and shoot at Palastinians who may cause a threat, although often the threat is exaggerated by the soldiers. Two examples include shooting an eight-year old boy for throwing stones and the killing of a British UN peacekeeper (the Israelis thought he had something small and metal in his hand - it was his mobile 'phone), both from last year.
The persecution isn't just limited to Palastinians born in the West Bank. There is a man named Azmi Bishara, an Israeli Arab member of the Knesset. In October 2000, 300 Israelis attacked his house and Bishara was wounded by police fire. During this period, thirteen more Israeli Arabs were killed by police fire. At no time has Azmi Bishara participated in any terrorist campaign of violence, or funded such activities. Last I heard he was on trial for the following acts of free speech: that Lebanon had the right to resist invasion in the '70s, vocally supporting the intiffada as an alternative to total submission or outright war, and his involvement in Palastinian family re-unification.
(source: Power and Terror by Noam Chomsky)
Originally posted by Yaniv
Neither side is allowed to vote for the other. Israel is not Scotland.
Originally posted by Yaniv
No Palastinian is kicked out of his home in Palastinian territory unless he is involved in some sort of terrorist activity.
Originally posted by Yaniv
You are only an Israeli citizen if you are born to an Israeli citizen (or achieve citizenship in other ways). This is to prevent illegal immigration.
Originally posted by Yaniv
Actaully, it was British territory and was populated mostly by Jews. Everyone in Israel at the time of its foundation was given full citizenship. At the time, Palastinian territory was not under Israeli control. It was captured by the Israelis in a war, which the Arab nations declared on Israel in order to remove it from the map.
Originally posted by Yaniv
Israeli soldiers are attacked by Palastinians on a very high basis.
Originally posted by Yaniv
Sadly, mistakes are bound to happen, and innocent people may get hurt. Israel has no intrest on killing INNOCENT Palastinians: just look at the rep its giving Israel.
Originally posted by Yaniv
Regardless, none of these examples even come close to the dozens of suicide bombers placing themselves in as much crowded area as they can in an attempt to blow up and kill as many innocent civilians as they can.
Originally posted by Pontiuth Pilate
On the other hand, outright war with the Arab states which would also cause the fall of Israel.
Originally posted by Yaniv
3) All Arabs which were in Israel at its birth were given full citizenship.