Do US anarchists want a failed state?

[Truthy]

A failed state would have a weak government. Communal interests would be more free to pursue their goals.

Please tell me.

 

[Berzerker]

I thought anarchism wanted the state to wither away as voluntary cooperation replaced it

 

[Lexicus]

Anarchists would probably say that the state has already failed.

 

[Patine]

A failed state would have a weak government. Communal interests would be more free to pursue their goals.

Please tell me.

So would big corporations if they got the initiative. Remember the sub-genre of dystopian science fiction - most popular by far in the '80's, but apparently a few other examples, here and there - where the dystopian government in question was undisguised corporate dictatorship, with either no meaningful civil government, or such a thoroughly corrupted, yesman, rubberstamp stamp government to endorse their will, as opposed to all the other flawed and frightening government types portrayed in that genre. And in the case of a weak government that couldn't enforce business, contract, and commerce laws, the big corporations already probably could take on a neo-feudal system (a la, Cyberpunk 2020), or a much more high-tech take on what the British East India Company, British South Africa Company, Dutch East Indies Company, Dutch West Indies Company, etc. did.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Who is advocating for anarchism?

 

[Zardnaar]

Who is advocating for anarchism?

Probably Lexicus or some sort of communism.

Example A of anarchy. Somalia.

 

[H4run]

Who is advocating for anarchism?

Probably Lexicus or some sort of communism.

Example A of anarchy. Somalia.

Hey don't drag Lexi around. And Somalia is not anarchy, OMG Zardnar.

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[Moriarte]

Probably Lexicus or some sort of communism.

Example A of anarchy. Somalia.

Nonsense. Somalia is governed.

 

[cardgame]

Who is advocating for anarchism?

Anarchism as defined as the antithesis of authoritarianism would be utopia but people are too stupid and selfish for that to work, it's a pipe dream on the same lines as right wing libertarianism for similar, if different, reasons.

 

[Hrothbern]

We all start our lifes as little anarchists

Almost everything is provided for and we can focus on what limits our freedom

 

[H4run]

Anarchism as defined as the antithesis of authoritarianism would be utopia but people are too stupid and selfish for that to work, it's a pipe dream on the same lines as right wing libertarianism for similar, if different, reasons.

Yeah, it's an utopia concept of community without government that put a lot of trust on good nature of human interaction living as a community. When I say a lot that mean really A LOT. It's a humanist movement, IIRC Tolstoy is an Anarchist.

 

[Lexicus]

Hey don't drag Lexi around. And Somalia is not anarchy, OMG Zardnar.

The irony is I get accused of all this crap but I'm ultimately just a social democrat, limp as overcooked celery...

Left anarchists definitely have the right idea though.

 

[Old Hippy]

Nonsense. Somalia is governed.

2.6 million internaly displaced Somalians beg to disagree with you on that point

Ongoing armed conflict, insecurity, lack of state protection, and recurring humanitarian crises exposed Somali civilians to serious abuse. There are an estimated 2.6 million internally displaced people (IDPs), many living unassisted and vulnerable to abuse.

along with OCHA, The United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs along with Human rights watch

 

[H4run]

The irony is I get accused of all this crap but I'm ultimately just a social democrat, limp as overcooked celery...

Left anarchists definitely have the right idea though.

When you move or tilt a bit to the left some people just cannot comprehend how far that is, it's like a magic trick!

 

[cardgame]

Hey, Moriarte didn't say Somalia was governed well.

As far as I understand it, it's governed by small time local warlords who steal whatever international aid makes it to the country for themselves, nothing serious has changed since the 90s or earlier? Pretty basic hearsay so enlighten me if you know more...

 

[Old Hippy]

Hey, Moriarte didn't say Somalia was governed well.

As far as I understand it, it's governed by small time local warlords who steal whatever international aid makes it to the country for themselves, nothing serious has changed since the 90s or earlier? Pretty basic hearsay so enlighten me if you know more...

good point how did I miss that... I must need more coffee

 

[Berzerker]

Then Somalia is divided pretty much along tribal lines, I suppose that can be viewed as a failed state. But I'm sure each tribe has its own 'state', probably rather authoritarian in nature given the dominant religion.

 

[Zardnaar]

Part of Somalia is more or less independent of the central "government".

 

[Berzerker]

I wonder if there would be more conflict or less if countries with antagonistic tribes were broken up to reflect their traditional lands.

 

[H4run]

Part of Somalia is more or less independent of the central "government".

But Anarchy as ideological system is not as simple as vacuum of power or impotency of government power that lead to chaos and unrest. It's an ideology that community can work with greater dynamic without government.

It's not the "embrace the chaos" villain type of ideology, it's coming from the good intention that government all the time fooling and sucking the community, and community will be better and able to sustained itself without government, it's believe that way we were back to where we were back then, a communal society.