[RD] Do 'woke' films go broke? (from LGBTQ news)

[Zardnaar]

I could never liked the FG movie, but I certainly liked that it deprived Hackantino of an oscar

To American for you?

 

[Kyriakos]

No, it's just that the message is crude and unrealistic.

 

[Hygro]

So, do we all agree "go woke go broke" is a false statement?

 

[Zardnaar]

So, do we all agree "go woke go broke" is a false statement?

I understand the sentiment behind it. Probably more a tendency vs absolute truth.

 

[Angst]

I understand the sentiment behind it. Probably more a tendency vs absolute truth.

again, do you understand that the sentiment is solely a rhetorical function, and what purpose this function has?

for a centre-left, even a centre, again your usage of it was baffling. i didn't tag you when i mentioned you in my post (p3? i think) but it pretty much outlines the issues of "woke"; who uses it, what it means, its lack of substance in the real world, and what the usage's purpose is.

 

[Zardnaar]

again, do you understand that the sentiment is solely a rhetorical function, and what purpose this function has?

for a centre-left, even a centre, again your usage of it was baffling. i didn't tag you when i mentioned you in my post (p3? i think) but it pretty much outlines the issues of "woke"; who uses it, what it means, its lack of substance in the real world, and what the usage's purpose is.

Well we keep gett8ng told language evolves.

I understand what people mean when they say woke depending on the context they're using it in.

You don't really need to nitpick an exact definition as you can usually get what they're saying.

 

[choxorn]

Extras get paid reasonably well compared to normal jobs.

Problem is consistent work. You're not being an extra every week.

The point is that they're probably not rich, regardless of exactly how much they're being paid.

 

[Gori the Grey]

You don't really need to nitpick an exact definition as you can usually get what they're saying.

Well, we would need a definition in order to test the proposition.

We would need a way of characterizing whether a movie was "woke," or if woke is a scale, how woke. (But I don't think it is, I think it's an absolute; just my sense of usage).

Then we would need some way of accounting for financial success. Somewhere I heard a rule of thumb that you had to gross twice what was spent on it.

Then we could test how well "woke" movies fare. But it would need to be a rigorous enough definition that by it we could definitively declare a movie "woke" or not before we saw how much money it took in.

I'd be open to tracking this with whatever next gets declared a "woke" movie.

"Go woke, go broke." No joke? or all smoke?

 

[Kaitzilla]

So, do we all agree "go woke go broke" is a false statement?

It might be "get broke go woke" in actuality.

Shrinking industries try new things to turn things around.

Journalism
Late night tv
Movies
Bud Light
Universities

Here is a recent opinion poll.

Go woke, go broke? Millennials say it's true

An exclusive poll has revealed that those aged 25-44 were the most likely to support an anti-woke sentiment, bucking a popular narrative about the age bracket.

www.newsweek.com

A 2020 Pew Research Center survey found millennials were the most positive about the prospect of majority black and minority ethnic population in the future, while young adults were found in 2022 to be more likely to say society had not gone far enough in accepting transgender people.

The poll for Newsweek found that of those who were aware of the phrase "go woke, go broke," 72 percent of 25-34-year-olds and 70 percent of 35-44-year-olds agreed with the sentiment it expressed.

70%

 

[Angst]

Well we keep gett8ng told language evolves.

I understand what people mean when they say woke depending on the context they're using it in.

You don't really need to nitpick an exact definition as you can usually get what they're saying.

you're reproducing coopted rhetoric, and even if you know what you think isn't a problem (and i'm not sure you do, reading through your earlier comments in this thread), other people may not.

like, try and relate to it this way. say you really believed in states' rights (and were american, i guess). like, in what states' rights are supposed to mean; that the usage they pretend to be is the one you use (that you like less federalism). you can't just go around saying "states' rights!" then, without promoting what that rhetoric wants to promote, unless you include a series of asterisks.

and the way you use "woke" in this thread, and your annoyance with it; if we say you have a proper view of states' rights, that you believe in what they pretend to be, it's like you talking saying "states' rights!"; someone could give you the benefit of the doubt: "so you mean you like less federalism?" and then you for some reason go "yes, but i specifically talk about reconstruction." then we are all ranging from worried to slightly miffed and point out that's kind of an issue talking that way, you then go "i mean sure, but I know that i'm not talking about slavery". it's like... other people exist, you know.

"go woke, go broke" means that progressive representation in mass media is bad. that's the usage of it. it has not been .. recoopted? yet, and with your qualms in this thread, reproducing this usage, and the exact rhetorical function "woke" has today... i'm very confused as to why you believe in its usefulness to your own political goals, knowing where you come from.

and i know that you have this usage of woke, that this usage is shared by a lot of the western centre, and that a lot of centrists have a bubbling annoyance with progressive representation in media, but i'd really like you ask yourself, then: who does this bubbling annoyance against minorities serve politically?

if this rhetoric has penetrated the centre - what is "woke"'s FUNCTION?

it's different to really relate to stuff like this when you live in the contemporary of it, but the coopting of woke is not being miffed at bad hollywood productions; it's literally the same rhetorical function as SJW and stuff like cultural marxism. if you are in the centre and see people conspiring about stuff their enemy doesn't actually believe --- y'know, it's, uh, not good.

 

[Kyriakos]

Isn't "woke" another term which no one uses to self-identify?
Like "hipster" and similar.
It's not a new phenomenon; such terms appear from time to time, and obviously no one really cares what they meant (if anything) prior to the moment they gained traction.

 

[Arakhor]

Here is a recent opinion poll.

Go woke, go broke? Millennials say it's true

An exclusive poll has revealed that those aged 25-44 were the most likely to support an anti-woke sentiment, bucking a popular narrative about the age bracket.

www.newsweek.com

70%

The key phrase there is "those who were aware of the phrase", which is mostly limited to alt-right chuds and poor benighted fools like us who discuss political things like this.

 

[Angst]

Isn't "woke" another term which no one uses to self-identify?
Like "hipster" and similar.
It's not a new phenomenon; such terms appear from time to time, and obviously no one really cares what they meant (if anything) prior to the moment they gained traction.

some do, but it's few and far between. and contrary to hipster, it's far more weaponized by the right (even to the centre), usually to point out that the left is both incapable and dangerous

hipster was mostly something to joke about with mild annoyance; "woke" supposedly ruins (white) culture and in the thread-title mantra impoverishes (white) people ("go broke", y'know), it is dangerous and must be stopped because they ruined my star wars. it's silly but this irt eg star wars is actually something that's weaponized by the cruel because star wars happens to be such a point of identification and shared childhood experience for so many people.

 

[Remorseless1]

I looked it up: Brokeback Mountain grossed almost $180 million US.

The Birdcage is a staple on TBS and cable movie stations.

But if you look at top grossing movies, they're mostly based on comic books or CGI action movies (Avatar, Toy Story).

I don't know if it is rank bigotry or lousy taste in movies.

 

[Kyriakos]

The key phrase there is "those who were aware of the phrase", which is mostly limited to alt-right chuds and poor benighted fools like us who discuss political things like this.

I think it's largely the other way around, though; certainly kids and younger people would hear of trending terms almost by default.
That it is known on CFC OT just means it's beyond common use by now.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Going on Strike is woke (obligatory)go woke, go broke

You are more correct than most people realize. The last time we had a double strike (writers & actors) was 1960, when the head of the SAG was a pro immigrant, anti assault rifle wokester by the name of Ronald Reagan.

 

[GenMarshall]

You can basically make a checklist of "woke" stereotypes in movies.

Also, the movie has to be preachy and avilicious. If I wanted to be preached at on how I'm, a white cishet streight man, is the most evil thing on the planet, I'd go to Tumblir to expose myself to the brain rot keyboard warriors there churn out.

 

[Gori the Grey]

If I wanted to be preached at on how I'm, a white cishet streight man, is the most evil thing on the planet

Is there a recent film that you have in mind that preaches this message?

Where have you heard it most explicitly? in other words, as close as possible to exactly that phrasing.

 

[Sommerswerd]

You are more correct than most people realize. The last time we had a double strike (writers & actors) was 1960, when the head of the SAG was a pro immigrant, anti assault rifle wokester by the name of Ronald Reagan.

So... "go woke, get elected POTUS"?

 

[GenMarshall]

Is there a recent film that you have in mind that preaches this message?

Where have you heard it most explicitly? in other words, as close as possible to exactly that phrasing.

The big two films that struck out to me were The Last Jedi (making Luke emasculated and washed out), and Ghostbusters 2016 (the men were made to look like baffons and idiots). It was explained to me when I was in the anti-SJW circles that they were ruined by woke SJWs.

Contrary to what people would think of me about Fin (most would assume I’d hate him cause he’s a black character). I’m actually disappointed that Disney’s LucasFilm didint expand on his character. The idea of a Stormtrooper going through a change of sides due to mistreatment-induced betrayal that’s on screen (outside of the Expanded Universe now Legends, TV series, and video games) is interesting to me. Though I was sorely disappointed when they decided to throw out his character development out the window in The Last Jedi.

Then there’s the take Kathline Kennedy put forward that “the force is female”, making me feel that I can’t be part of Star Wars (I’m of the camp of “the force is for everyone”).

There’s also a notation that if I have a legitimate criticisms of a film, I’d get accusations that I’m an -ist or a -phobe. I’ll take the new Little Mermaid film for example, if I say I don’t like the film. Other people will immediately jump the gun and call me a racist bigot. Anti-Wokeists/SJWs hate The Little Mermaid because the lead character is black, I don’t like the new Little Mermaid because I’m tired of live action films. We are not the same.