Do you believe in cryptids?

[scy12]

http://www.lorencoleman.com/cryptozoology_faq.html





http://www.babylon.com/definition/cryptid/English



By the very definition, unknown animals are unknown animals. It's like an invisible ghost. If its unknown, then you don't know about it, you never hear about it. To be a valid cryptid, you have to know about it in some way.

By the same token, most extinct animals are simply extinct. They're dead. Pushing up daisies. Gone forgotten post facto rigor mortified. They are Ex-critters. They have gone to that great critter factory in the sky.

To get an unknown or extinct animal up to cryptid status, you need some indication that they are actually around. If you don't have any, then they are not around. Cretaceous T-Rex is not a cryptid animal. Twentieth century T-Rex would be a cryptid animal if anyone believed that there was one poking around. If you had conclusive proof, they'd jump straight into real critter and non-cryptid status.

To be a cryptid, a critter has to be known but not proven. Identified, but not accepted by science. The Orangutang is proven and accepted by science, it is not a cryptid. The Orang Pendek is known and identified, but not proven or accepted by science, its a cryptid. A hypothetical cosmic jello in Borneo with unknown or unidentified properties, is not known or identified, so it doesn't make cryptid status. The Flores Man is extinct and doesn't make cryptid status.

The coelecanth, megamouth shark and colossal squid went straight from unknown/extinct to proven real animals. They never spent any time in the cryptid category.

To be fair the colossal squid and giant octupuss did have several mentions in legends and stories and was known as a mythological creature, i would say they at the very least fit some criteria of being former cryptids .

 

[Virote_Considon]

Some I do, some I don't.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

Cretaceous T-Rex is not a cryptid animal. Twentieth century T-Rex would be a cryptid animal if anyone believed that there was one poking around. If you had conclusive proof, they'd jump straight into real critter and non-cryptid status.

It's not a t-rex, but it is an alledged modern dinosaur. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokele-mbembe

Spoiler :

This an artist's rendition, not an alledged photo.

To be a cryptid, a critter has to be known but not proven. Identified, but not accepted by science. The Orangutang is proven and accepted by science, it is not a cryptid. The Orang Pendek is known and identified, but not proven or accepted by science, its a cryptid. A hypothetical cosmic jello in Borneo with unknown or unidentified properties, is not known or identified, so it doesn't make cryptid status. The Flores Man is extinct and doesn't make cryptid status.

I don't think anyone has said any of these things were cryptids.

The coelecanth, megamouth shark and colossal squid went straight from unknown/extinct to proven real animals. They never spent any time in the cryptid category.

There were giant squid stories going back to ancient times. Remember the Kraken?

 

[Den Valdron]

The Giant Squid was a feature of legend going back to ancient times. Giant Squids verifiably washed up on beaches in Newfoundland and elsewhere starting in the 19th century. So the status of Giant Squids as cryptids in the modern era is pretty iffy. Not out of the question, since there were the equivalent of 19th and even 18th century cryptozoologists running around, and still big new animals being discovered as late as the 19th century.

The Colossal Squid is a bigger, heavier, more voracious cousin of the Giant Squid. Different species. Hangs around in Antarctic waters. Entirely unsuspected.

The Giant Octopus is a genuine cryptid animal. There have been reports, and attributions of globsters, but no giant octopus on the scale alleged has ever been verified.

And for the record, the Orang Pendak is indeed a cryptid!

 

[Bigfoot3814]

Of course, some cryptids become tourist attractions, and even commercial.

Spoiler :

HOT HOT HOT!!!

 

[cubsfan6506]

That modern dinousar is so stupid. For it to mantain a sizeable population for reproduction it would easily be noticeable. Also what did common ancestors could it share with any of the current animals on earth, being like no other animals. (No it couldn't of stayed alive for 60 million years.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

That modern dinousar is so stupid. For it to mantain a sizeable population for reproduction it would easily be noticeable. Also what did common ancestors could it share with any of the current animals on earth, being like no other animals. (No it couldn't of stayed alive for 60 million years.

Well, it is supposed to live in the middle of the congo. Not too many people walking around there looking for dinosaurs all the time.

 

[Fronx]

Of course there are animals that are yet undiscovered. The question is what are more likely? Some random frogs and birds in the middle of the jungle, or some giant, hairy ape wandering around North America?

This sums it up.

 

[philippe]

I think cryptids believe in you.

 

[Perfection]

If a cryptid has enough evidence for me to believe it exists, it is no longer considered a cryptid.

 

[JohnRM]

A cryptid is any unknown animal that may or may not exist. I.E. The Loch Ness Monster, The Thunderbird, Bigfoot (), which also goes by Sasquatch, the Yeti, the abominable snowman, or the yowie, depending on where you live.

I for one do believe that there are animals science has yet to discover, and nothing any of you say is going to change my mind about that.

There were all sorts of mega-fauna across North and South America prior to the arrival of Europeans. They were mostly wiped out by the tribal peoples who lived here at the time. North American closely resembled Africa in that it had its own lions, hippos, elephants, camels, and other similar animals. Camels actually originated in North America. It is entirely possible that there was a giant bird, as well. South American was more similar to Australia, having giant marsupials.

Do I believe that a "Loch Ness Monster" exists in any of the world's major lakes? No. It doesn't seem likely.

It is very possible that great ape exists in North American and Asia, but it is unlikely.

 

[Sharwood]

I have no doubt there are many animals still undiscovered, so I'll vote yes when I'm done with this post. Even likely several presumed extinct species still hanging on somewhere. But things like Nessie and Bigfoot I sincerely doubt exist.

The Tasmanian "Tiger" may still be around. But it's unlikely, as much of its habitat is gone, and it would be difficult for it to survive on the mainland due to competition from dingoes, which were introduced by the Aborigines - and are the reason it's a "Tasmanian Tiger" to begin with, it was gone from the mainland by the time Europeans showed up - and there's really no way it could survive in Tasmania without being discovered.

The Marsupial Lion is an entirely different creature, and known to be long extinct, if that's what Den Valdron meant by Tasmanian "Wolf."

As for the Bunyip, it was almost certainly just a platypus.

 

[Sharwood]

You can never prove that something doesn't exist. Anything is possible, no matter how improbable.

What are you talking about? Gorgias of Leontini did that over 2000 years ago!

 

[Luckymoose]

Hell my uncle has a picture of a dire wolf he took while hunting. I don't believe it is a cryptid.

 

[Truronian]

Generally no. Bigfoot, Nessie, the Beast of Bodmin Moor etc. are all too improbable to consider.

 

[Sidhe]

No, it is likely there are millions of undiscovered species out there. I don't buy the more fanciful ones though. Folk lore and myth mostly.

 

[sourboy]

So an honest politician, non-money-hungry woman, and a non-abusive cop are all cryptids?

 

[Valka D'Ur]

That modern dinousar is so stupid. For it to mantain a sizeable population for reproduction it would easily be noticeable. Also what did common ancestors could it share with any of the current animals on earth, being like no other animals. (No it couldn't of stayed alive for 60 million years.

Some dinosaurs were quite small, about the size of chickens. The modern descendants of dinosaurs are the birds and alligators.

My father told me he saw Ogopogo. I have photos of both my father and me sitting on Ogopogo's nose, so naturally I believe Ogopogo exists.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

Only birds are descendants of dinosaurs - alligators and crocodiles are related but not direct descendants.

 

[scy12]

I thought that crocodiles are not descendants of dinosaurs just big reptiles related to them , that lived at the time of the dinosaurs but weren't extincted.