Does a heroic death make a hero?

He's a hero to some people (other cops probably) and exactly the opposite to others (those who dislike jerks, etc.)

IMO to be a hero you need to show that outside of just 1 action. 1 act does not a hero make. You need to have a clear and undeniable series of actions that show that you are in fact a hero.

Batman wouldn't have been thought of as a hero if he lived his life stealing candy from babies and smoking crack and with his dying breath saved a baby deer.
 
Nothing in his life became him like the leaving it.
 
Batman wouldn't have been thought of as a hero if he lived his life stealing candy from babies and smoking crack and with his dying breath saved a baby deer.

He's saving babies from a sugar addiction and early diabetes and he saved a baby deer, sounds like a hero to me :)
 
It seems like the "heroic death = hero regardless" principle is pretty deeply entrenched/established. When I was driving a delivery truck in GA, every one of those little towns I would visit had a monument to the "heroes of the Confederacy"... As always, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and I'm not sure what can ever happen to change that.
 
I think hero is a word loaded with lots of ideologic stuff, just as good and evil.

Just watched Black Hawk Down some days ago. The two Deltas who volunteered to remain protecting the downed pilot, killing lots of militias and furious civilians in the process until they were finally killed. Very heroic feat in the sense of courage and such, but dont know if call them heros like i would do with lets say Ghandi or Alexander Fleming...
 
With soldiers it's different IMO because they sign up to protect the community in which they live, putting their lives on the line. I guess if they were conscripted then that doesn't work though
But you could say the same about police right? Anyway it's not different for soldiers so much as its different for everybody. Everybody takes the liberty of defining their own heroes based on what's important to them. That's normal. Policeman, soldier, firefighter, astronaut, EMT, doctor-without-borders dies in the line of duty... they get hero status. Its pretty much automatic. Gabby Giffords gets hero status (she didn't die, she was "only" maimed)... heck, I dare say the guy who dives head first into the endzone to score the game winning touchdown, but suffers a life ending impact in the process will be revered as a hero to many.

But focusing more on Tim's real question, I thought about whether I would consider a murdering, raping, molesting, thieving, domestic-abusing guy a hero, for running into the street to push my child out of the way of a speeding bus, only to be run over and killed himself in the process... yeah that guys a hero to me... cause he just saved my son's life. All that other stuff he did is condemnation-worthy, but saving my son was still heroic. Are we gonna snatch the Congressional Medal of Honor off the guy who saved his whole Platoon's neck because he later beats his wife in a PTSD rage? All of us? I don't think so.

On a related note... I have made way too many big boo-boos in my life to go down the route of calling for the universal condemnation of other peoples heroes. My kids need to be able to look up to me, in spite of my shortcomings. So giving a guy hero status might make me frown personally, but I still acknowledge that nobody's perfect, heroes included and on some level people need to have redemption/admiration available to them... even if its only in the eyes of some people. It's one of the few things that keeps us from being complete pricks to everyone.
 
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But you could say the same about police right?

Depends, in the U.S. for instance the cops don't really serve the public. Same can be probably said about a bunch of other countries, but I'm more familiar with the U.S. and the situation there.
 
On the topic of heroes in general, I agree with the sentiment @Sommerswerd is expressing, that at some point you have to look up to someone, unless you're trying to be on that nihilist vibe where you don't care what kind of person you become or are seen as by other people. People need examples of some kind. I'll be honest that I feel better having examples, maybe that makes me weak or whatever, that's fine. I'd rather stay (mostly) sane.
 
I need a heee-ro . . .
 
Terribly Sorry, i just couldn't help myself.:hide:
 
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