Does anyone actually enjoy moving?

[Moriarte]

Thread is like a minefield

As for the moving - try being positive. You're moving towards new life together with someone you probably like, could be that it is worth a day or two of carrying bricks, eh?

You don't sound 15 though, more like 16.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

And I thought I had a two full sized shelves packed with hundreds of books was a massive collection
There is nothing like a real paper book compared with the more convenient ebook format. The price you pay for having so many books is moving them is a huge pain. Recently though I only buying large format books and stopped buying paperbacks.

Most of what's in my collection isn't available in e-book form. And why buy it twice? I have a Kindle and some stuff on it, but I prefer the sort of books that I can read without worrying about batteries or electricity.

I grew up surrounded by books (most kids take a teddy bear to bed with them; I had a teddy bear plus a stack of books), and can't ever feel comfortable in a new place unless the shelves are up and there are books in them. That's why I'm not completely settled here yet. Far too many books are still in the moving boxes, and I've yet to replace the furniture that was destroyed by the mold.

I've ordered some new shelves, though, and they should be here at the end of the week.

Urh cant you just soak it in bleach, then dry out the wood and continue to use the bookshelves ?
How did you books survive the mould ?

Anyways yeah I too love my collection of books, Just not adding to the collection like I once used to

There wasn't time to do remedial measures. Thankfully none of the books were damaged. It was a near thing, though, because it was one of the support legs that was basically turning to mush. It would have collapsed and then everything would have been wrecked. I'm talking about things that are irreplaceable - out of print needlepoint pattern books, 30-40-year-old SF/F magazines, fanzines, some rather pricey reference books, sheet music... definitely not replaceable stuff.

The books and magazines were saved. The shelf had to go into the dumpster.

Another thing I lost to the mold was the record player my dad gave me when I was 12. I spent many hours listening to records, coloring the Doodle-Art he gave me. I've still got the Doodle-Art, still got the records... am considering replacing the record player. No, I can't just get CDs or whatever it is these days. Some media really is only available the old way.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Anyway. I (15) am moving out from my parents' home this weekend to live with my boyfriend (26). A great adventure to be sure, and I'm looking forward to it, but why does the process of moving have to be so annoying and complicated? Putting everything into boxes that, if you want to have a somewhat decent quality, you have to pay for.

That was actually a good chance to force yourself care less about stuff and so free yourself from this typical obsession with many small things every one of which is seem important and crucial to life but actually is not and just scatters your focus and eats your lifetime.

But anyway. My friends keep telling me that there are people who actually enjoy moving. I don't believe it. It's almost certainly an urban myth. I mean I guess I get it, if you're living in some really ugly house that's about to collapse or something, then you want to move, but moving just for the sake of moving and then live at a different place?

If done right, it should be refreshing, reset your mind and uproot you in a good way. Through life we get very rooted to a specific place, lifestyle and state of mind, losing that freedom and flexibility we had during childhood, and with that we also lose consciousness, the ability to learn quick and easily and to really change.

Home and home stuff is the most limiting comfort zone.

 

[metatron]

Yeah, hand me some of that.

You don't happen to have any hard liquor on you, do you?

 

[The_J]

I wouldn't know anyone who enjoys moving, and wouldn't understand if they did.
Especially more complicated if you're leaving country with everything you have, but that will most likely only happen in 2 years to me.

Bonus for the annoyance: In this country you have to remove the floor of your house/appartment when you move out.

 

[Kozmos]

It wasn't normal in Germany before, but after years of creeping Islamization it is now.

Not PC at all, but made me laugh

Anyway yeah, my prediction in 3-5 years you're gonna change and he's not leading to the break up.

 

[metatron]

It wasn't normal in Germany before, but after years of creeping Islamization it is now.

Not PC at all, but made me laugh

This may be mal-applied, since i am unsure at which exact level of irony you boarded this here train,
but anyway:

Spoiler :

1. The middle one came pre-censored and i had to additionally censor it.
Because Americans are a sad people.

2. Sharia Law is imminent.
Any day now... *smirk*

 

[Bootstoots]

Good god no. Moving is utterly terrible. I'm a slob with low energy levels in the first place, except where something (never cleaning) randomly piques my interest; then I shoot knowledge like a drug until it crashes.

It's not just that I have insufficient energy to move and even attempting it is physically unpleasant, though that is true in the extreme. It is that I get to stare all my glaring inadequacies in the face as I do it. I have to randomly throw amazing science demonstrations together with fragile expensive ones and glassware and all sorts of other things. Meanwhile there's a whole bunch of possibly worthless things that might at some point be useful, so that usually gets moved too.

All my stuff adds up to markedly more than I've actually made, due to the easy availability of credit to people who shouldn't have it, and an escalating series of Amazon and eBay purchases that have brought in a series of hypomanic episodes have brought me to the brink of bankruptcy*. All of this stuff has to go too. Also, there's a lot of outright garbage, and deciding what is what is difficult. Creating any sort of organization besides just throwing stuff I want to keep into boxes and anything I don't into trash bags is completely out of the question. Towards the end, boxes run out and trash bags become the main thing I use to move. I have to remember which trash bags contain trash and which ones contain what I want to keep, and at least one ends up as a jumble of the two. At least one valuable bag is always thrown away by accident.

I find the sustained physical exertion very difficult. What's more, I have serious trouble cleaning. Part of this is because there's a lot of gunk and hairballs and whatnot when you don't regularly clean up after yourself. The other part is that I have no idea what constitutes most people's standard of cleanliness; most people themselves disagree among each other, too. Suffice to say that my cleaning is always inadequate.

Moves I'm making or involved in, this year alone, include:

• Moving from my apartment to my parents' place that they had just started moving into as well, closing only a few days before I got there.
• Assisting the parents' move, but not by much because of my weaknesses. They have insane piles of stuff, two or more orders of magnitude more than I do, because they are middle-class Baby Boomers aged 58 and 60. And they care deeply about where it goes, too.
• [part of #2] Someone apparently told that generation that the meaning of life is to collect as much stuff as possible over their lifetimes. This is the most unsatisfying "meaning of life" I have ever heard of, including the ones involving killing lots of people. At least the latter is compatible with the desires of the human brain as it evolved.
• [part of #2 and #3] The result is that humans, adapted for a world full of meaning with not very much stuff, end up with a world full of stuff with virtually no meaning. This is really bad. If you want to laugh at human suffering caused by the worst cases of this, watch Hoarders.
• The next move. Within one week, 10 days tops I will have to have found roommates in Champaign/Urbana and move in with them from Normal. Luckily there are online roommate match programs, which is what I am going to be doing starting as soon as I come back from my group meeting. I got a very late start on this and have already lost $380 to stay 5 nights in a motel the first week of classes.

These moves involved a triangle of small cities in C. Illinois, namely Decatur, Bloomingon/Normal, and Champaign/Urbana, all about one hours' drive from each other. So this is actually fairly minor compared to what moves can be.

There have been far worse moves, such as when the whole family moved from S. Indiana to Rhode Island, then moved to C. IL one year later. Or the time I ditched a low-end physics grad program in Portland, Oregon and drove a Priusload of stuff 2/3 of the way across the country to Decatur, IL at the height of winter in mid-January.

In that move, I nearly died several times, and nearly ended up in snowdrifts several other times. The worst was when I was summiting the highest Wyoming mountain pass on I-80 at night during a snowstorm at 8600 ft on January 12, 2011. Had I been stranded, I might have been seen, and had I managed to place a phone call in a poor-reception area, I might have gotten out that way. But if not, hypothermia would have been a big deal. Somehow I muddled through it and got to the other side. Never have I been so happy to see Cheyenne, Wyoming. And then the snow ended and the ice storm started near the Nebraska line. Never have I been so happy to see a Motel 6 in the middle of nowhere in western Nebraska, which miraculously still had a few empty rooms. Weather conditions were similar for the next two days, with many more near-strandings and near-crashes across the lengths of Nebraska and Iowa.

tl;dr: Moving sucks syphilitic donkey dong.

 

[GoodSarmatian]

Yeah, hand me some of that.

You don't happen to have any hard liquor on you, do you?

I have some Sljivovic, but I can' drink it because I've just turned 13.

This may be mal-applied, since i am unsure at which exact level of irony you boarded this here train,
but anyway

Iwas't being ironic at all. I was being sarcastic.
Or was I ? That's a new semantic debate.
Btw, I live within walking distance (well, 12+ km, 3 hour walk) of one of Europe's largest brothels and I constantly see cabs advertising it.

 

[red_elk]

I have some Sljivovic, but I can' drink it because I've just turned 13.

If you've recently moved to live with your 60 years old girlfriend, you should share your experience.

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[Valka D'Ur]

I have some Sljivovic, but I can' drink it because I've just turned 13.

You joined this site at age 2?

 

[GoodSarmatian]

You joined this site at age 2?

I joinded this site at age 87 and got reincarnated.
You may ask yourself how my previous self was still alive whem my current body was already two years old. The truth is, humans only get souls at age ten, before tht they are philosophical zombies.

 

[FriendlyFire]

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• Assisting the parents' move, but not by much because of my weaknesses. They have insane piles of stuff, two or more orders of magnitude more than I do, because they are middle-class Baby Boomers aged 58 and 60. And they care deeply about where it goes, too.
• [part of #2] Someone apparently told that generation that the meaning of life is to collect as much stuff as possible over their lifetimes. This is the most unsatisfying "meaning of life" I have ever heard of, including the ones involving killing lots of people. At least the latter is compatible with the desires of the human brain as it evolved.

Are we talking Doomsday Preppers type of hording or Mentally illness hording or just Western consumerism hording ?

I too have have tapped into that western culture of buying stuff, the other thing I have horded are my Old PCs, which I have four total pcs in my room, all working condition that I cant bring myself to throw away, along with my collection of books
Honestly though I would probably live without them, I can survive with just the one PC, internet access, clothes and HDD filled with my memories

 

[FriendlyFire]

There wasn't time to do remedial measures. Thankfully none of the books were damaged. It was a near thing, though, because it was one of the support legs that was basically turning to mush. It would have collapsed and then everything would have been wrecked. I'm talking about things that are irreplaceable - out of print needlepoint pattern books, 30-40-year-old SF/F magazines, fanzines, some rather pricey reference books, sheet music... definitely not replaceable stuff.

Pretty amazing collection, I dont think that my book collection would have value but maybe they do including many early sci-fi novels in the original print though most are well read condition. A few signed comics, Old gaming magazines
One of my friends had a collections of rare, Anime figurines all break when hes book shelve collapsed, probably by the landlord these are all limited edition, valuable items lost several thousand dollars worth of stuff. The landlord claim it "fell" by itself
Some of those cost like $300+ each.

 

[Ryika]

I too have have tapped into that western culture of buying stuff, the other thing I have horded are my Old PCs, which I have four total pcs in my room, all working condition that I cant bring myself to throw away, along with my collection of books

You might want to consider giving those old PCs to a public institution or something, might make it easier to convince yourself to get rid of at least one or two of them.

But who am I to tell you that? Among some other things, I've finally brought my 3 old motherboards, all of which have really old processor slots that no half-decent processor of today would fit in, to the recycling yard. I don't even know why that was such a hard thing to do, I know I'll never use them again. 8(

 

[Arwon]

I've moved about once every 18 months since 2000. It gets easier the more you do it.

 

[Broken_Erika]

I too have have tapped into that western culture of buying stuff, the other thing I have horded are my Old PCs, which I have four total pcs in my room, all working condition that I cant bring myself to throw away, along with my collection of books

I still have my last 2 desktop pc's, my old laptop, various parts and a Dynalogic Hyperion sitting under my bed. I could get rid of the others but i'm probably keeping the Hyperion.
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=339

 

[Commodore]

where do you live? 15 is well below the age of consent in every state I know of in the us.

The age of consent in most states is 16. So yes, it's below the age of consent, but certainly not "well below". Also, you can do things like this in the US if you are below the age of consent as long as your parents agree to it.

Thankfully, I do not live in the USA. Here in Germany, we have proper consent laws, not that arbitrary-number-is-arbitrary system you have over there

The reason we have those laws though is because here in the US, parents are considered to be legally liable for the actions of their children until they turn 18. For example, if my 6 year old daughter throws a rock through your window, I am the one who is considered responsible for compensating you for those damages, not my daughter. So since parents are legally liable for their children, the logic is parents then get to have all the decision making authority over their children.

 

[Ryika]

The reason we have those laws though is because here in the US, parents are considered to be legally liable for the actions of their children until they turn 18. For example, if my 6 year old daughter throws a rock through your window, I am the one who is considered responsible for compensating you for those damages, not my daughter. So since parents are legally liable for their children, the logic is parents then get to have all the decision making authority over their children.

I don't see how that's relevant.

If one partner is 16, and one partner is 17 and it's fine for them to have sex, but then the partner turns 18 and suddenly a misdemeanor, then that's stupid and arbitrary. Of course the same happens under German law, but from what I can tell, German courts are a lot more likely to actually not criminalize that sort of thing, while american courts seem to be very much on the side of keeping as close to the letter of the law as possible, even if it's stupid.

Hell, there were cases of teenagers being trialed and risking being put on the sex offender registry (although I don't know whether there was ever a case that didn't end in a plea deal to avoid that) for having pictures of themselves - THEMSELVES - or their partners of the same age on their phone.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

My employer profits by paying for me to be able to work rather than putting stuff in and out of boxes, and it's a non-taxable benefit.

Ugh it's taxed here like income and some companies will deduct the taxes from your pay check using the highest bracket. I had a job where they took $1,000 out of every paycheck for months. Then when I quit the job before the two year period I agreed too, they charged me for the pro-rated amount of the total moving bill without factoring in taxes at all. I'm going to have to go to a tax professional for the first time ever next year which really sucks.

I hate moving, it's a massive chore but obviously necessary. To keep costs low and deter theft*, I pack almost everything myself. I only need the movers really to move the furniture and stuff I'm not going to lift and obviously truck things cross country if that's where I'm moving. For local moves I will move most of the boxes myself, again to cut costs. I'm not yet financially secure enough to have movers do everything myself.

*I come from a military background which meant frequent moves growing up and my parents had things stolen with frightening regularity.