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Egypt - Cleopatra Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by nunor, May 25, 2016.

  1. dexters

    dexters Gods & Emperors Supporter

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    Civ3 Cleo was meant to evoke the Liz Taylor Cleo. I read or heard that somewhere a long time ago. And thinking about it now, there are similarities.
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  2. GenyaArikado

    GenyaArikado Judge of Love

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    Honestly i believe Civ3 Cleo should have been Hapshetsut with that lool. But im not a big fan of the other 2 looks either.

    CivOnline Cleo looks like Monica Bellucci
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    Although Asterix & Obelix is probably the worst place to look for Cleopatra looks im rather fond of this one. Looks both greekish and egyptianish
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    And while id like her to look more or less like this (with better clothes tho)
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    She'll probably look either like that Liz Taylor pic or like this
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  3. dexters

    dexters Gods & Emperors Supporter

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  4. GenyaArikado

    GenyaArikado Judge of Love

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    I did too but after looking at other pics i didnt anymore XD
     
  5. ehecatzin

    ehecatzin Emperor

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    If they go for the hot actress look I'd rather they go with Monica Bellucci with accurate clothing.
     
  6. nunor

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    Apparently the opinion I conveyed in my last post was not fully understood so I'll rephrase: I find those depictions abysmal, especially the last two, and I hope not to find a gratuitously sexualized Cleopatra in Civ6.
     
  7. Spartan_X

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    Well, my opinion is that Cleopatra shouldn't look sexy, but instead she should have the refined beauty of a queen, she should look elegant. I believe the Liz Taylor look captures that look perfectly. Of course Liz was one of the ( if not -the- ) most beautiful actresses in Hollywood ever ... so that wasn't that hard to accomplish with her in the role ...
     
  8. GenyaArikado

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    No, everyone who read it got it. It just no was answering to you lol.

    Anyway, i gotta feeling they will go for this. It's the most popular depiction of Cleopatra.

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  9. Monado

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    Please, no incredibly fair skin Liz Tailor-esque Cleopatra.

    Though I have zero faith in this company's art team to do anything but that, or an incredibly over sexualized Civ Rev/Online Cleopatra.
     
  10. nunor

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    That's what I thought, until I was accused of 'spamming'.

    Anyway, a model based on Liz Taylor wouldn't be too bad, I guess. But they should at least get the nose right.
     
  11. GenyaArikado

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    I was talking about the clothes. Body wise i'm expecting Theodora's sister.
     
  12. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    I am too.

    But anyone want a new Egypt topic? War Chariot has been hinted. Can anyone think of another potential Unique Unit?
     
  13. Novu

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    The Egyptians also invented the composite bow by laminating animal horns onto the wooden structure of normal bows.

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    Excerpt from a NOVA documentary on the Egyptian bow.

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    Egyptians also tended to mix their units. Here a Spearman and a bowman would work together on a single tile.

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    Going back to the topic of Cleopatra. This is look I would support:

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  14. ehecatzin

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    I'd like to see Nubia as its own Civ, but I think its rather more likely Egypt could get Nubian Spearmen as its second UU.
     
  15. True_Candyman

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    I think Egypt is long overdue Mamluk cavalry as a second UU tbh and it would bring Egypt out of being a purely ancient era civ. It'd be less of a stretch than Nubian spear men too, since Nubia was distinct from Egypt
     
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    I agree with this. Mamluk cavalry would be a good choice to represent Medieval Egypt as a replacement for the mounted Knight or Lancer replacement.

    Note: The Mamluks were the ones who preserved much of the history of Egypt including the records of Cleopatra's reign.
     
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    Hmm, I think Civ 6 is unlikely to break the common misconception that Egypt ended with Cleopatra or Persia ended by Alexander.

    Saladin (who is a sultan of medieval state of Egypt) even end up being leader of "Arabia" in Civ 4, and if actual Caliph is a leader of Arabia in Civ 6. I really doubt we will see him and anything from Ayyubid-Mameluks time from Firaxis.


    Well, then. Thanks for Civ 5 mod community. We already got this Janboruta's leaderscene if anything gone "wrong".
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  18. Thormodr

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    I had never heard of the Egyptians inventing the composite bow. I don't believe that jives with the historical record.

    http://https://legioilynx.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/composite-bows-weapon-of-ancient-nomadic-equestrian-cultures/
     
  19. Staler87

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    If you think Cleopatra caused the collapse of Egypt your sorely mistaking. She seduced Julius Ceaser and convinced him not to annex Egypt. She was incredibly intelligent (able to speak nine languages I believe) and definitely deserving of the role as a leader in a civ game. Plus her son was technically the last Pharaoh of Egypt not her. And it is actually only a popular myth that she killed herself. Historians are unsure whether she was assassinated or did herself in.
     
  20. sukritact

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    Not sure what else to call the fact that Egypt was annexed into the Roman Empire. Even if she did not cause it she was not up to the task of ensuring Egypt's continued independence.

    This statement just make me want Hatsheput even more; I'd rather not women in history be reduced to sex symbols. I pray Civ VI's depiction of Cleopatra be somewhat more reasonable that Civ Rev's or Civ Online's.

    That's just being impractically pedantic. Caesarion lived on for less than a month before being caught and executed by Octavian, and besides that was only 17 years old at the time. He was never a ruler in his own right (Cleopatra retained the power although they were technically co-rulers since he was 3).

    She is perhaps a middling ruler who was in a very bad spot and did the best she could. I do not think she was a horrible ruler, but I do think that in either case she pales in comparison to the greater Pharaohs of the New Kingdom, and the great pyramid builders of the Old Kingdom, or Narmer: I've had a soft spot for Narmer since my mod. I'm just glad nobody went crazy and chose Tutankhamun; now that would've been an unforgivable outrage. :p
     

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