Election 2024 Part III: Out with the old!

[SemiLazyGamer]

It also seems likely some voted for local abortion laws, but for Trump as president. It is all speculation at this time, the vote will be analyzed in weeks and months ahead.

From my understanding is that all attempts to enshrine abortion as a right in state constitutions passed except Florida despite a majority voting for it because the state made it so voters need to pass it with 60%.

There was also a thing where Amarillo, Texas rejected a law which would have made it illegal for their roads to be used for moving folks to get abortions.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Abortion ballot initiatives. I wonder if they could have an effect on the presidential election.

State	Init	Desc
NE	Init. 434	Ban abortion after the first trimester except in medical emergencies or in cases of rape or incest
NE	Init. 439	Establish a constitutional right to abortion until viability, with exceptions for later pregnancies
AZ	Prop. 139	Establish a constitutional right to abortion until viability, with exceptions for later pregnancies
FL	Amdt. 4	Establish a constitutional right to abortion until viability, with exceptions for later pregnancies
MO	Amdt. 3	Establish a constitutional right to abortion until viability, with exceptions for later pregnancies
MT	CI-128	Establish a constitutional right to abortion until viability, with exceptions for later pregnancies
NV	Question 6	Establish a constitutional right to abortion until viability, with exceptions for later pregnancies
SD	Const. Amdt. G	Establish a constitutional right to abortion in the first trimester, with exceptions for later pregnancies
MD	Question 1	Establish a constitutional right to abortion
CO	Amdt. 79	Establish a constitutional right to an abortion; repeal a ban on public funds being used for abortions
NY	Prop. 1	Prohibit discrimination on the basis of sex, including "pregnancy, pregnancy outcomes, and reproductive health care and autonomy," among other provisions

Missouri has voted to amend the state constitution to bring back abortion.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/05/g-s1-32791/missouri-voters-back-amendment-to-end-abortion-ban

As far as I know, they just have to go to court now to challenge the Missouri state laws banning abortion, which will melt like a snowcone in hell vs. the newly amended state constitution.
Just a few hoops to jump through.

 

[Tee Kay]

- dems were too slow at fixing biden's awful ticket.

>party of defending democracy
>refuses to hold a proper primary contest
>coronates sitting VP as fait accompli

yeah

 

[Angst]

From my understanding is that all attempts to enshrine abortion as a right in state constitutions passed except Florida despite a majority voting for it because the state made it so voters need to pass it with 60%.

There was also a thing where Amarillo, Texas rejected a law which would have made it illegal for their roads to be used for moving folks to get abortions.

i want to believe. can you share a link?

 

[GenMarshall]

i'm worried about ukraine.

More than likely Trump is going to send it to the sacrificial altar.

I just hope the senator and district representative I voted for (both Democrats) would pull through and block Trump from sacrificing Ukraine.

 

[Samson]

i want to believe. can you share a link?

This is what ABC/538 has:

 

[Angst]

More than likely Trump is going to send it to the sacrificial altar.

I just hope the senator and district representative I voted for (both Democrats) would pull through and block Trump from sacrificing Ukraine.

we'll see. we may be living in bizarro world where the reps are anti russian enough to send aid now that they won. from what i could gather, and i'm fine being wrong, most of the waffling with it seemed to use ukraine as a pawn to gain bargaining power in the government or cookie points in the media. reps don't actually much like russia. so if the dems are out of the picture, we may accidentally timeline ourselves into a position where proper aid is sent (unless trump blocks it ofc)

 

[caketastydelish]

Our correspondents there report that cost of living was a big issue, apparently inflation hit you guys harder than us, on an individual level.

And in the Southern states apparently the previous generations immigrants are voting against this generations immigrants.

It also seems likely some voted for local abortion laws, but for Trump as president. It is all speculation at this time, the vote will be analyzed in weeks and months ahead.

Speaking as an American inflation and cost of living are huge problems but that dosent mean trump is the solution

 

[Angst]

This is what ABC/538 has:

thank you so much.

 

[SemiLazyGamer]

i want to believe. can you share a link?

I was wrong about South Dakota and Nebraska. South Dakota rejected a measure and Nebraska made their abortion ban into the state constitution.

Montana's didn't have anything concrete yet.

Everyone else did what I said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/results-state-level-abortion-ballot-measures-us-election-2024-11-06/

Nebraska Voters Pass Measure Limiting Abortions

A competing ballot amendment, which would have established a right to abortion until fetal viability, failed to win more votes.

www.nytimes.com

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/election/article294503274.html

Abortion-rights measure loses in South Dakota • South Dakota Searchlight

An attempt to restore abortion rights in South Dakota was on the state's Nov. 5, 2024, general election ballots.

southdakotasearchlight.com

Nevada voted to make abortion a constitutional right. What to know about key ballot measures

A ballot question to enshrine Nevada’s abortion rights in the state constitution has passed. Voters must also approve the ballot question in 2026 in order to amend the state constitution.

apnews.com

 

[Snowygerry]

Very strange, in theory your national economy should be stronger, but apparently two jobs do not suffice to pay rent and three meals a day.

And no Trump is not likely to solve that, something else must be wrong over there.

 

[Angst]

I was wrong about South Dakota and Nebraska. South Dakota rejected a measure and Nebraska made their abortion ban into the state constitution.

Montana's didn't have anything concrete yet.

Everyone else did what I said.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/results-state-level-abortion-ballot-measures-us-election-2024-11-06/

Nebraska Voters Pass Measure Limiting Abortions

A competing ballot amendment, which would have established a right to abortion until fetal viability, failed to win more votes.

www.nytimes.com

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/election/article294503274.html

Abortion-rights measure loses in South Dakota • South Dakota Searchlight

An attempt to restore abortion rights in South Dakota was on the state's Nov. 5, 2024, general election ballots.

southdakotasearchlight.com

Nevada voted to make abortion a constitutional right. What to know about key ballot measures

A ballot question to enshrine Nevada’s abortion rights in the state constitution has passed. Voters must also approve the ballot question in 2026 in order to amend the state constitution.

apnews.com

thanks. it's a small thing, but this stuff was really important to me.

it's unfortunate ofc that the states' rights shpiel still works as a rhetorical strategy.

 

[Kaitzilla]

Very strange, in theory your national economy should be stronger, but apparently two jobs do not suffice to pay rent and three meals a day.

And no Trump is not likely to solve that, something else must be wrong over there.

The average age of a homebuyer this year is 56.
A moderate medical procedure costs a car, and a major one costs a house.

The American Dream for young people is basically dead I'd say.

Fast food is a luxury item now.

 

[Akka]

we'll see. we may be living in bizarro world where the reps are anti russian enough to send aid now that they won. from what i could gather, and i'm fine being wrong, most of the waffling with it seemed to use ukraine as a pawn to gain bargaining power in the government or cookie points in the media. reps don't actually much like russia. so if the dems are out of the picture, we may accidentally timeline ourselves into a position where proper aid is sent (unless trump blocks it ofc)

Considering Trump and its Rep cronies managed to vote again the immigration deal that they wanted themselves, just so Biden's administration couldn't get credit for it, that's not impossible.
But considering Trump is Putin's lapdog, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Snowygerry]

The average age of a homebuyer this year is 56.
A moderate medical procedure costs a car, and a major one costs a house.

The American Dream for young people is basically dead I'd say.

Fast food is a luxury item now.

That's 34 for couples and around 40 for singles here, the difference shouldn't be that big.

 

[Angst]

Considering Trump and its Rep cronies managed to vote again the immigration deal that they wanted themselves, just so Biden's administration couldn't get credit for it, that's not impossible.
But considering Trump is Putin's lapdog, I'm not holding my breath.

that's kind of the thing yea. they don't like russia (even if emulating in some places, they still understand it's a geopolitical/jingoist opponent), they like to generally work along party lines, but they also like to hold the party line with their leader, and trump will absolutely personally try and block it and kowtow to putin as he did before. but we may get aid. if not, europe is still helping.

 

[Verbose]

Not necessarily. The Japanese weren't Nazis

The Japanese weren't really Fascist either – militarist paternalistic autocrat rather – with the constitutional mechanism lifted from the old German Imperial constitution allowing the army and the navy to directly bypass any kind of representational government, by taking things directly to the emperor.

Authoritarianism and autocracy isn't necessarily all Fascist.

 

[Verbose]

that's kind of the thing yea. they don't like russia (even if emulating in some places, they still understand it's a geopolitical/jingoist opponent), they like to generally work along party lines, but they also like to hold the party line with their leader, and trump will absolutely personally try and block it and kowtow to putin as he did before. but we may get aid. if not, europe is still helping.

Depends on whether Trump. Putin and Xi agree to returning to pre-WWII spheres-of-influence, as is Putin's wish – and whether Europe has one, or just is one.

 

[Akka]

that's kind of the thing yea. they don't like russia (even if emulating in some places, they still understand it's a geopolitical/jingoist opponent), they like to generally work along party lines, but they also like to hold the party line with their leader, and trump will absolutely personally try and block it and kowtow to putin as he did before. but we may get aid. if not, europe is still helping.

Europe helping could potentially replace USA if it finally find its spine and stand in.
But the big risk is Trump simply lifting sanctions on Russia.
If Trumps just does nothing, it's salvageable. If he goes full support for Putin, that's a disaster.

 

[Sarin]

Depends on whether Trump. Putin and Xi agree to returning to pre-WWII spheres-of-influence, as is Putin's wish – and whether Europe has one, or just is one.

You mean Cold War ones? Because pre-WWII is far too little for Vlad. And Xi wants more that China ever touched.

Now, regarding Ukraine...the ball's on European court now. Trump is impressionable, and so far he has only been impressed by the tyrants. But with some care, and missteps on Putin's side, he might be turned around by someone charismatic enough. I'd probably nominate our president, out of all European statesmen he's the best fit.