Emp01 - Rise and Rule AWE

[PaGe]

What else should we build with the leader?
national monument in München?
national gallery?
I don't think we should build the war college. We have enough army building cities.

To follow Empiremakers point we should build in Hannover, which is really near to Königsberg, or rush it with the leader in 1000 smells

 

[Elephantium]

The rest of the turns..

IBT:

Lots of blimp bombing. No combat.
Almarikh riots. Sigh.
Odessa: Port->Aqueduct (so it can grow)
Sevastopol: Laborer->Laborer
Salzburg: Leatherneck->Prussian Fusilier
Hannover: PF->PF
Southern Crab: Port->Courthouse

Turn 5 (1762 AD):

We fail to plant spies in Sioux and Aztec lands.
Upgrade a couple of vet Line Inf to PFs
Hussar > Aztec Line Inf, promote to Elite
Hussar/Imp Guard army > Rifleman
Two new Adventurer armies are created, pillaging to come! Next, I'm going to put together a Cavalry or Bedouin Raider army to help attack Armor more effectively. Or maybe a PF army for better defense.
Change Ta-Tu to Harbor so it can grow faster.
Leptis Magna switches to Hvy Frigate (Ironclads reliance on Sea squares depresses me)

IBT:

We lose our mixed Army and an Adventurer to a Commando and Sioux Rifleman.
Berlin: Army->Army
Horse Hodoo: Colonist->Adventurer
Hamburg: Cavalry->PF
Tabriz: Laborer->Forge
Frankfurt: PF->Aqueduct
Munchen: Hvy Frig->Bedouin Raider
Riga: Laborer->Laborer
Bremen: Adv->Adv
Brandenburg: Cavalry->Adv
Kiel: HVy Frig->Adv

Turn 6 (1764 AD):

Adventurer Army pillages a little near x and captures two Workers, who get disbanded.
Hussars > Commando, Rifleman, Line Infantry near our new city site. Sigh, we have to build a road before we can settle.
Change Moscow to Forge

IBT:

I goofed up while pillaging with one of the Adventurer armies, and he ended his turn in the open. By my count, he had 8 movement to spend, and movement 7 would have been on the mountain with the other Adventurer - instead, he ended his movement at what I counted as movement 6. He gets run over by Armor. The workers he captured get recaptured, too

We lose two Hussars to attacks near our new city site. One is a Sioux army!
Carthage: Cannon->Adv
Leipzig: Army->Army
Minsk: Courthouse->Wealth. I sell the courthouse because it does not help
Smolensk: Courthouse->Colonist. Sell Courthouse, too little impact.
Baruun-Urt: Laborer->Laborer
Brandenburg riots! I'm not sure why.

Turn 7 (1766 AD):

Hussar > Adventurer
Hussar > Flak x2
Hussar > Army!
Hussar > Infantry
Ooh, they can't pop out and retreat through the jungle. This could get bloody.

IBT:

Three Hussars die, one retreats. We need better fighting terrain.
Frostvale: Adv->Adv
Leptis Magna: Hvy Frig->Adv
Nurnberg: Cavalry->Cavalry
Northern Coast: Laborer->Hardy Colonist
Centralia: Laborer->Laborer

Turn 8 (1768 AD):

Stuttgart changes to Adventurer.
Hussar > Sioux Rifleman
Cavalry > Commando

IBT:

We lose a Cavalry in the big stack near our new sugar city site.
Our Adventurer army falls. Note to self: Quit taking Tibet's workers - they kill the movement.
We learn Advanced Metallurgy. Next up: Realpolitik and Fridges
Carthage: Adv->Adv
Utica: Army->Army
Freiburg: Adv->Adv
New Berlin: Cavalry->Adv
Munchen: Bedouin Raider->BR
Hannover: PF->PF
Dortmund: PF->PF
Kiel: Adv->Naval Academy (rushed)

Turn 9 (1770 AD):

Hussar > Infantry
Leatherneck > Elephant rider
Line Inf > Rifleman
Cavalry > Flak, elite promotion
Hussar > Infantry
Hussar > Infantry
Hussar > Cavalry
We have Laborers on the Sugar. I'll start roadbuilding next turn.

IBT:

Almarikh riots again. Sigh.
Frankfurt: Aqueduct->Adv
New Leipzig: Colonist->Colonist
Salzburg: PF->PF
Bremen: Adv->Adv
Thingy: Adv->Adv
Kiel: Naval Academy->Arty
City of 1k Smells: Adv->Adv

Turn 10 (1772 AD):

Line Inf > Jeep
Hussar > Infantry

Berlin is about to finish an Army; I suggest building Edison's Workshop there (15 turns).

 

[Elephantium]

What else should we build with the leader?
national monument in München?
national gallery?
I don't think we should build the war college. We have enough army building cities.

To follow Empiremakers point we should build in Hannover, which is really near to Königsberg, or rush it with the leader in 1000 smells

We'll need to use the next leader (which should come pretty quickly; we have several elite units waiting to create leaders) - I didn't want a leader sitting around idle for too long, so I used the one we have on the naval academy.

 

[PaGe]

In coastal cities you must not build äquaducts. The better choice is a port+major-port.

I got it.

edit: The adventurer only have 3 moving points, but any terrain as roaded. Capturing still cost a complete moving point. I think that was your counting prob.

 

[PaGe]

pre-turn:
Heidelberg: colonist->laborer (can't hold size 4, so the colonist can't be build)
Odessa: äquaduct->major port (see post above)
New Hannover: Wealth->Harbor
Hovd: äquaduct->Harbor (with the loose of shields)
Northern Coast: colonist->Laborer
Bremen: Adventurer-> Sewer
Thingy: Barracks
New Königsberg: Laborer->Major port
Southern crab: Courthouse->major port
New Frankfurt: Courthouse->Barracks
New Köln: Wealth->Monument.
Minsk: Wealth->Port
Tabriz: forge->Port

IBT:
commando forces a cavalery to retreat. A jeep finished it.
a jeep attacked Gomo (what a range. That was really dangerous.)
lots of bombing
Berlin: army->university
Carthage: Adven->adven
Hovd: Harbor->port

turn1:
husar killed commando
New Bremen found, a worker sacrificed
killed several sioux units
Horse Hoodoo changed to Hardy

IBT:
bombarding of the tibetian.
now the tibetian take the gloves off: 13 amors stand adjacent to new bremen.
Forge->Hardy
Kiev: Colonist->?
HamburgF->Cav
Darhan: Adven->PF
Königsberg: Smith->university
München: beduin->cav
Leptis: adven->shrine
7th seal: laborer->harbor
Regensburg: Adven->adven

turn2:
You have neglect our tax. Even with Smith we make -44 gpt at 40% tax.
Switched several cities to tax buildings.
a fired any artillery on the armor. ->Nearly all down on 6HP.
A adventurer is doing a job with no return and pillaged the road between Zandra and New Bremen. That will stop the armor-support.
The cav army killed a tank, but looses 18 HP against another one and dies.
Build a new army (2 cav+elite husar) killed a tank and retreat to new frankfurt. So it won't defend in New Bremen.
Build another PF-army for defense in New Bremen.

IBT:
That will be hard!
a lot of bombarding by airships
our road-cutting harakiri is killed
The tanks don't attack! But the next problem appears with the sioux-stack.
Berlin: uni->army (4R)
Carthage: adven->PF
Tatu: Harbor->port
Almarikh: Barracks->adven
New Bremen: Baracks->Harbor
Odessa: Major Port->adven
München: Library->cav
Bremen: toll-house->Bazaar
Brandenburg: Adven->PF

turn3:
again artillery all around new bremen. Armor down on 3HP, killed some sioux units.

IBT:
bombing. Troup movement around New Bremen.
Refrigiration->Realpolitik
Pentagon produces army
Leipzig: Army->Cav
Utica: Army->Cav + Royal guard
Königsberg: Uni->Theory of evolution.
Bonn: Cav->Cav
Dortmund: PF->PF

turn4:
arti-alarm, tanks are down on 1 or 2HP. 2 FP-army take out 2 tanks + 2 sioux adven, 2 Lethernecks, a husar and a dragoon take out another 4 armor.
another adven-army wants to pillage, but a tank-line forces him to move back to jungle. Hope it will survive.
try to plant a spy at the sioux without success.

IBT:
airship-bombing. no attacks.
Leptis: shrine->port
Salzburg: PF->cav
Hannover: market->townclock
Thingy: barracks->adven
Brandenburg riots: ->shrine

turn5:
Artillery on armor (all down on 1HP). PF-Army (2x), Husar, Letherneck and Dragoon take all out of the game.
Husar killed flak. It stood in front of our city. Unguarded and of course useless.
We get another leader from a Husar

IBT:
again bombarding airships, a jeep killed a husar.
Utica: cav->bazaar
Frankfurt: guild hall->arti
München: Cav->national monument (rushed)

Turn6:
found new bonn (I don't know what to do with the colonist else).

IBT:
A commado killed a cav-army. I hate them.
Berlin: army->army
Carthage: PF->cav
Leipzig: cav->cav
Utica: Bazaar->art
Hamburg: Bazaar->art
New Hamburg: courthouse->adven.
München: national monument->art
Nürnberg: cav->cav
Stuttgart: adv->shrine
Brandenburg: shrine->arena
New Königsberg: major port->wealth
New Nürnberg: Forge->baracks
New Köln: Monument->wealth

turn7:
killed commando, but the next is near. Killed some sioux.
plant a spy at the aztecs.

IBT:
bombing at new frankfurt and New bremen,
again commando strikes a unit, a jeep
jeep nearly killed a PF in New Frankfurt
The sioux took the chance killed a husar, which was guarded by the
Almarikh riots->shrine
New Berlin: adven->Granary. (I started chopping the jungle, so it can grow in tzhe future faster.)
Leptis: port->arena
7th seal: Harbor->port
Northern coast: Laborer->harbor
Köln: PF->arti
Kiel: arti->shrine
Tibet is building UN in Oslo

turn8
killed commando and jeep,
sacrificed several worker in New Frankfurt for expansion.

IBT:
Baracks are destroyed in New Bremen.
Commando killed a cannon.
Realpolitik->screw prop
Utica: Arti->uni
Freiburg: adven->adven
Heidelberg: Arti->wiseman
Hannover: Townclock->cav
Bremen: Bazaar->cav
Dortmund: PF->Cav
1000smells: wiseman->winter palace (will take 28 turns, so you can change)

turn9:
hurried Baracks in New Bremen and New Frankfurt.
savely steal the tibetian map.
Royal guard tried an amphibic attack against an 3HP commado and looses.

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I tried to ship an artillery, but can't load it. Can they only lifted? Or is it a prob with my configuration? That was really annoying. I wanted to prepare an offense on Sikkim and build a new city at the horses, but without artillery thats impossible. I think about 20 armors will appear when settling there. I only could kill the 13 amors without big losses, because they didn't move.

For the next player:
I started the summer palace in 1000 smells. Perhaps it should be changed. You decide. I would rush it later with a leader, but the last one was needed for the national monument.

The commanders are really annoying since they can choose which unit is attacked in a stack. Our offensive armies aren't save, when they are injured (what can be caused of airships). Because of that I moved them back into the cities and guard the Worker only with adventurer. They will lost.

The adventurer-army must pillage the oil-ressource of the sioux and then move to Oslo to pillage the land and the oil in this region.

Perhaps the Theory of evolution should be changed to get the more cheaper techs later.

Don't forget to build tax-buildings in between. Actually we can research at 50% science without deficit.

 

[Empiremaker]

Good work. I got it.

 

[Greebley]

If we know where Oslo is, send an adventuring army (if we can) and destroy all mines to delay the UN.

I have also forgotten how the UN works in Civ3. Does it depend on population or number of Civs? We could possibly also destroy the Sioux and the other surviving Civ to stop the UN victory if the latter.

 

[PaGe]

I've stolen the tibetian world map. So, we know every tile now. The adventurer army is on the way. Perhaps Empire should change the priority. First pillage the land around Oslo. We should take a view at Oslo as soon as we have enough money.

 

[Empiremaker]

In civ 3, all civs with over 25% pop and land area are up, and the civ that built it, minimum of 2. Every civ gets 1 vote, most votes wins.

 

[Greebley]

So we would have to destroy both the other two civs to stop the UN. Its been a long time since seeing the map so I don't know if this is doable or easy. I would hate to stop the pressure on Tibet, but losing the game by UN is worse. If we don't think we can destroy both civs in time though, it isn't very useful. In that case going full against Tibet to slow them down still seems best.

 

[Empiremaker]

0- Start Edision’s in Utica

It seems that artillery doesn’t have the load flag, so it cannot be transported across water. Switch all builds from artillery.

IBT- Wines bombed

1- Naval academy produces Admrial of the Fleet

Leave 1 tile of Jungle/Marsh unroaded around our area on Tibet’s continent. This prevents armors from entering the Jungle, so therefore they can’t attack our cites.

2- Start East India Company in Munchen

Leader from Line Infantry

Fill an adaventurer army

3- Our science advisor wants to research Free Artistry. Who needs free things in a monarchy? I start Internal Combustion.

Hurry War College in Munchen.

Leatherneck takes out an armor amphibiously.

4- War College completes in Munchen.

IBT- Tibet founds Dawu on the rubble by the horses.

Military Academy produces army.

5- Bedouin Raider creates leader, hurry winter palace in 1000 smells.

Leader from Dragoon, will use it to hurry national gallery in Berlin.

IBT- Lose adventuer army. I thought it was far enough from tibet’s core to be armor free.

6- Winter Palace completes in Smells.

7- Drop research to zero in preperation for ToE finishing.

Kill a blimp with naval bombardment, and get a prize ship.

Leader from Cavalry

8- Pollution Strikes Utica.

Upgrade a catapult to artillery for 420 gold.

Found New Salzburg

9- Theroy of Evolution completes, pick Mass Production and Automatic Weapons. Start Motorized Tranportation.

Start Crystal Palace in Berlin.

Hurry Sewer System in Bremen.

Leader from Cavalry.

Pillage an oil near Stockholm

IBT- Lose an adventurer army

Tell aztecs to get lost.

Pollution strikes Berlin.

Royal Guard produced.

10- Sewer System hurried in Ta-tu

Notes:

Upgrade Leatherneck 1 NW of New Frankfurt.

Build/Hurry 3 district courthouses so that we can build the Supreme Court wonder. (Free local court, which is the same as courthouse, in every city)

The Save

Oslo:

 

[Elephantium]

Should I take it again, or should we wait for Greebley? If I take it, I won't play my turns until Friday.

 

[Empiremaker]

If Greebley can play before then, he can, since he should be back by now. I f he doesn't claim it, go ahead and play.

 

[vmxa]

Lurker:

Greebly is finsihing GR13 right now.

 

[Elephantium]

In that case...got it. I'll play Saturday.

 

[Greebley]

I am back and can play after Elephantium.

 

[PaGe]

Well done Empiremaker. 3 leaders in 10 turns is terriffic.
I don't know if it is good to cut all roads in the jungle. This way the tibetian stores them and if we move in their terrain, what we must soon, they can attack with all of them. And handling over 40 armors at once is hard.
But good to see, that the tibetian only researches at 30%. That way we can come nearer.

Can artilleries now be loaded on ships?

 

[Empiremaker]

Artilleries cannot be loaded on ships.

My thoughts for victory: First, Tibet doesn't have 33/33 land/pop, so we don't have to take any of their cities for a domination win. So, I propose that we beeline for tanks, while making amphibious infantry. Upon filling 4-5 tank armies, and 2-3 amphibious infantry armies, and have plenty of loose units, we launch an assult on the souix and aztec lands. We take all their land in 1 turn, using amphibious infantry to take cities, unloading the tank armies to capture inland cities. That will put us above 66/66, and if not, we can sacrafice workers. We hold on 1 IBT from Tibet's armors, and we win.

We just can't sit around as the U.N will be built eventually.

 

[Elephantium]

So far:

Pre-turn:

Look around. Hey, there's a catapult in New Bremen that hasn't gone yet. And a Cavalry army just north of there! I bombard and kill the Tibet Infantry lurking near New Bremen.

IBT:

Tibet bombing destroys the barracks at New Bremen.
dozens of Tibet Armor seem to be headed to x.
Aztecs and Sioux invade us near New Bremen.
OUr Adventurer army on the southern isthmus is unmolested.
Ta-tu: Sewer System->Forge
New Hannover: Wiseman German->Courthouse
Konigsberg: MG->Amph Inf
New Leipzig: Colonist->Laborer
Dortmund: Cavalry->Amph Inf
Kiel produces an Admiral of the Fleet
Kiel: Transport->Transport
City of 1000 Smells: Bazaar->Factory
New Stuttgart: Harbor->Shrine

Turn 1 (1812 AD):

Line Infantry > Adventurer, leader results!
Cavalry > Adventurer
PF army > MG
Cav > Adv, promote to Elite
Cav > Adv
Cav army > Leatherneck (needed to exit jungle post-attack)
PF > Leatherneck x3
Cav army > Leatherneck, back out of jungle

Hmm, we have a Colonist in the Tibetan warfront. What should we do with him - and with the other Colonist we just built?

 

[PaGe]

Yes these Colonists we can't use. Better build hardy ones, then they can be used as workers and activate when needed. Perhaps we should take the small island with the tibetian and sioux city. Then we also get control of the oil and can build 2 cities with the colonists.
The leader I would take for a factory in 1000 smells since there is no other small wonder we can build.