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Eta warns violence will continue

The armed group Eta says its campaign of violence will continue until it achieves its aim of self-determination for the Basque region of Spain.

The statement, said to be the group's first since it called off a truce in June, is an apparent response to a recent wave of arrests of Eta members.

The separatist group has said it was responsible for a number of small explosions in the last three months.

The Basque group is blamed for more than 800 deaths in the past 40 years.

Talks failure

In the statement, Eta vows to "strike at Spanish state structures on all fronts".

The purpose of this action was to "achieve democratic conditions which would allow for the defence of all political projects", the statement says.

It also says the group was responsible for four attacks in northern Spain in recent months, one of them during the Tour de France cycling race.

Spanish and French authorities have recently arrested a number of suspected Eta members.

Eta suspended its violent campaign from February 2006 to June 2007.

In its Sunday statement, Eta said it was not responsible for the failure of peace talks with the Madrid government, accusing it of "seeking to deactivate the Basque independence movement".

ETA is considered a terrorist organisation by Spain, the European Union and the United States.

and who they are...

Spoiler :
Who are Eta?

For more than three decades the armed organisation Eta has waged a bloody campaign for independence for the seven regions in northern Spain and south-west France that Basque separatists claim as their own.

Euskadi Ta Azkatasuna, Eta, whose name stands for Basque Homeland and Freedom, first emerged in the 1960s as a student resistance movement bitterly opposed to General Franco's repressive military dictatorship.

Under Franco the Basque language was banned, their distinctive culture suppressed, and intellectuals imprisoned and tortured for their political and cultural beliefs.

The Basque country saw some of the fiercest resistance to Franco. His death in 1975 changed all that, and the transition to democracy brought the region of two million people home rule.

But despite the fact that Spain's Basque country today enjoys more autonomy than any other - it has its own parliament, police force, controls education and collects its own taxes - Eta and its hardline supporters have remained determined to push for full independence.

Its violent campaign has led to more than 800 deaths over the last 30 years, many of them members of the Guardia Civil, Spain's national police force, and both local and national politicians who are opposed to Eta's separatist demands.

Nonetheless, their power was thought to have faded significantly in recent years; although debate has raged as to whether the group was a spent force or simply lying in wait.

Waning support

Certainly the days in the late 1970s, when the group was able to kill 100 people per year on average - just as Spain was awakening from a long dictatorship and moving towards democracy - appeared to be over.

After three people were killed in 2003, Eta refrained from any other deadly attacks until the last days of 2006.

The Eta of today has some logistical networks in France and a pool of a few hundred youths scattered across the borders of the Basque Country, in France and Spain, willing to engage in deadly missions.

French and Spanish police have sought to reduce Eta's capability and the Spanish government and judiciary have banned the political wing of the movement, which seeks an independent state for the Basques.

The logic for banning the political wing, which has operated for the last decade under different names - Herri Batasuna, Euskal Herritarrok, Batasuna - is that both wings are inextricably linked.

Banning the political branch, it was hoped, would reduce the flow of funds and support to Eta units.

No-one knows just how big the covert organisation is but the Spanish authorities estimate those active in Eta, fully paid up members who are trained to kill and who work in cells of around four people, could number as few as 30.

No wonder then, that they hailed the raids in Spain and France in October, resulting in the seizure of huge caches of arms and the arrest of more than 20 suspects, as a significant blow to the organisation.

A particular coup was the arrest of suspected Eta leader Mikel Albizu, also known as Mikel Antza, and his girlfriend, Maria Soledad Iparraguirre.

There has also been less and less backing for Eta and its extremist followers. This is not only because of the gains made in recent years by moderate Basque nationalists, but also because there is a growing feeling that Eta is desperately out of touch with public opinion.

Changing times

Eta's July 1997 kidnapping of a 29-year-old local councillor for the ruling Popular Party in the Basque region, Miguel Angel Blanco, was a turning point in public opinion.


Eta attacked two hotels in 2003
The group demanded that, as a prerequisite for his release, its 460 prisoners who were held in jails all over Spain be returned to the Basque region. The demand was not met.

Blanco was found shot twice in the head, he died in hospital 12 hours later.

Horrified by the young councillor's death, more than six million people across Spain took to the streets over four days to demand an end to Eta violence.

The massive public mobilisation was likened to the marches for democracy that took place towards the end of Franco's regime, and in an unprecedented move some of Eta's own supporters publicly condemned the killing.

The following year, Eta decided to call an indefinite ceasefire.

But that was officially ended in December 1999 after the then government refused to discuss Eta's demands for Basque independence.

The Spanish government had always maintained it would never consider entering talks with the armed group unless it renounced violence.

The Popular Party campaigned for re-election in part on its tough line against Eta and its defence of Spain's constitution in the face of demands for greater autonomy from the Basque country and Catalonia.

But 11 March 2004 bomb attacks in Madrid introduced a new factor in the equation.

The Popular Party initially said the attacks were the work of Eta, although the finger of blame soon moved to point at Islamist groups.

The electorate rejected the government and voted in the Socialist Party, partly because the Popular Party was perceived to have misled them.

Eta attacks declined in the wake of Madrid bombings, as the group was thought to believe it could no longer achieve its aims by violence.

Eta set off a number of bomb devices to coincide with national holidays and strikes, but no-one was killed.


The group finally declared a ceasefire, describing it as permanent, in March 2006.

However, the bombing of a car park at Madrid airport in December of that year left two people dead, and prompted the government to call off peace talks.


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Not really much new, but I was interested in hearing what people think of this seperatist organization, which seems to be a bit of an aberration in an otherwise peaceful western europe.

Are they terrorists? Do they have legitimate demands? Do you have any sympathies for thier goals?
 
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Are they terrorists? Do they have legitimate demands? Do you have any sympathies for thier goals?

Yes. No. No.

They should be hunted down and dealt with. How the EU deals with these people will be sad and they will be out to continue their terror in a few years.
 
Well post franco people had a lot of sympathy as they stood against him. The blowing people up within a democratic nation thing doesnt win friends or influence people.

Bottom line - franco is gone, so you have to behave like civilised people now.
 
I think they have a semi-legitimate grievance, but any sympathy I would have for them is lost when they start blowing up innocent people and robbing random people for cash. They're terrorists and thugs, and should be hunted down and exterminated.
 
They've turned from an independentist organization to a mere criminal one. If the basques truly wanted independence they would have worked towards that goal within a democratic framework. ETA is more concerned with extortion and power than with the opinion of the people they claim to represent – a mafia-like organization.

(actually a lot of basques do work towards independence, and don't seem to fell any need of going around blowing up things and people)
 
While I definately support the idea of Basque independence, obviously violence is generally a bad thing.
 
Yes, no and no. Spain won the land through conquest. But that doesn't matter. All they have to do is bomb some commuter trains and they'll get what they want.
 
Legitimate cause (right to self-determination), completely illegitimate means. There is no reason for this sort of use of violence in a democratic region of a democratic nation. (And by democratic, I mean fully democratic. A region under martial law cease being a democratic region, and then the lines become a bit more blurred.)

And yes, they are terrorists.
 
I think they have a semi-legitimate grievance, but any sympathy I would have for them is lost when they start blowing up innocent people and robbing random people for cash. They're terrorists and thugs, and should be hunted down and exterminated.

IAWTP.

All they're doing is hurting all the other Basques that may want their own state.
 
I do not support any attempt make Basque an independent state as it undermines European stabilty and co-operation.

I mean really you have to draw the limit and the extent to which this world is gonna be cut up into little 'self-ruling' countries. Should every single region be free to rule itself? When that starts to happen people suffer from lack of resources, lack of economic stability and so forth. Really Basque should just have fair representation in the Spanish government and leave it at that. We live in age where Europeans are starting to cotton on to the fact that we are better together than apart. We should be supporting individuality in union, rather than individuality in opposistion.
 
Since an overwelming 93% are against ETA using force now, perhaps a more interesting question is Were ETA justified in using force during Franco's reign?
 
Just to update this thread: ETA placed a car with a 100 kg bomb in the city of Logrono. Luckily only the initiator exploded but not the main part of the explosives. This bomb was actually placed 200m from the house my Spanish co-worker grew up at a kind of regional HQ of the ministry of defense.

Link to the Elmundo article (in Spanish)
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/09/10/espana/1189403574.html

Imo there is no justification for ETA terror.
 
The last option is kind of stupid. Yeah, I can completely understand if you don't even remotely sympathize with the ETA or with their goals, and the other options seem too sympathetic, but how the heck are they doing it for self preservation? You would think that if they cared about self preservation, they wouldn't be terrorists, and stick toward advocacy of more autonomy of the Basque Country within Spain and the EU. Terrorism has the nasty habit of putting your life in danger.
 
The last option is kind of stupid. Yeah, I can completely understand if you don't even remotely sympathize with the ETA or with their goals, and the other options seem too sympathetic, but how the heck are they doing it for self preservation? You would think that if they cared about self preservation, they wouldn't be terrorists, and stick toward advocacy of more autonomy of the Basque Country within Spain and the EU. Terrorism has the nasty habit of putting your life in danger.

What I mean by that option is that the ETA has lost popular support, its legitimacy, and mandate, but continues to exist as a terorrist organization for the status of its members, and so that its leadership won't be caught and charged. In essence, they don't even really beleive thier own propaganda anymore, they simply exist as a terrorist organization because people are willing to give them money to be that.
 
I do not support any attempt make Basque an independent state as it undermines European stabilty and co-operation.

I mean really you have to draw the limit and the extent to which this world is gonna be cut up into little 'self-ruling' countries. Should every single region be free to rule itself? When that starts to happen people suffer from lack of resources, lack of economic stability and so forth. Really Basque should just have fair representation in the Spanish government and leave it at that. We live in age where Europeans are starting to cotton on to the fact that we are better together than apart. We should be supporting individuality in union, rather than individuality in opposistion.

Individuality in union is fine. But if a nationality does not wish to be part of a given country, that's their right, too.

Do I think the Basque SHOULD break off? Not really. But they certainly have a right to do exactly that if they chose to. Morally speaking, a country has the right to hold a piece of land only so long as the inhabitants of that piece of land wish to be part of the country.
 
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