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Expanded Dynamic Civ Names (EDCNs)

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall - Dawn of Civilization' started by iOnlySignIn, Jul 27, 2013.

  1. iOnlySignIn

    iOnlySignIn Prince$s

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    That's a good suggestion.

    I would prefer a state which has existed longer but it's better than what I have already (Deccan Sultanates). I will add Suri as the Islamic empire name while Deccan Sultanates is the not empire name.
     
  2. BenZL43

    BenZL43 Physician - still can't spell this correctly.

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    Then Lodi Dynasty could be more appropriate. It control Northern India even up to Afghanistan, Islam, wars with Mughals, and last 75 years.
     
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    ^ The Lodi Dynasty is regarded as one of the Delhi Sultanate. Delhi Sultanate is already a Mughal DCN.

    Frankly, neither the Lodi nor the Suri are actually Indian (as represented by the civ India in this game). They are Turko-Persian invaders just like the Mughals are.

    Bahmani Sultanate or Deccan Sultanates would be better IMO.

    I think I'll settle with Bahmani Sultanate pre-Renaissance and Deccan Sultanates later.
     
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    BenZL43 Physician - still can't spell this correctly.

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    How about simplyfing the Korea's DCN so Silla and Goryeo by removing the iGameTurn > getTurnForYear (!400) requirements?

    I think the current code is very complicated where Silla is the Medieval name if Korea have researched neither Engineering nor Feudalism and it's not yet 1400; sort of complicated, imo.

    I'm thinking of suggesting like in China: Silla is Medieval, Goryeo is late Medieval after researching Eng or Feud and also as default Renaissance then Joseon after 1400.. in the style of Sui, Song, and Ming respectively.
     
  5. Locutus_Morti

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    Curious: any chance of including some version of "Nippon" as a name for Japan?
     
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    I don't understand. Are you not suggesting replacing the existing logic with the exact same thing?
     
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    Do you see Française or Deutschland or Rossiya in French, German, or Russian names?
     
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    BenZL43 Physician - still can't spell this correctly.

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    Hmm the result might be the same, just the code doesn't look as complicated as it is now :p

    So, now the Chinese vassal name for Korea is Lelang Commandery? How about the Protectorate General to Pacify the East? Can it be tied as to Lelang when CHina's DCN is Han and PG Pacify when China's DCN is Tang... or perhaps it's too complicated ._.
     
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    Again, I don't see something can be more complicated than itself.

    Already done. Download the latest version from the OP.
     
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    Not really. Theocracy is the domination of religion over the state. In the Papal States, the church and the state were led by the same person, so there was no question of domination.

    In fact, the Pope often differentiated his role as the infallible head of the church from the fallible head of state, so the Papal States was less of a theocracy than many medieval states where the monarchs insisted that all their decisions were the result of god's divine influence.
     
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    BenZL43 Physician - still can't spell this correctly.

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    Suggestion for Indonesia.
    First, I think the threshold should be lowered so we can see Majapahit more often. perhaps making the threshold as low as 3 ( example combination: Palembang, Sundapura, Sukadana).

    So my suggestion for Srivijaya:
    - Capital at Palembang
    - Not bEmpire

    Majapahit:
    - Capital at Java (possible if Tamil conquer Palembang)
    - bEmpire

    Kediri:
    - Capital at Java (possible if Tamil/Others conquer Palembang)
    - Not bEmpire

    Mataram:
    - Capital at Java (possible if Tamil/Others conquer Palembang)
    - Islam.
     
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    ^ Indonesia's Empire threshold used to be lower. The result is that Majapahit appears way too early.

    There is very little in game chance for Indonesia's capital to not be at Palembang.

    I will add Kediri but I'm curious why do you choose it among others? It's not a major dynasty like Srivijaya or Majapahit, is it? There are many smaller kingdoms like Kediri.

    In general, any name for the period between Srivijaya and Majapahit would be useful. But I couldn't decide on which - there are so many of them.
     
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    Maybe the Indonesian capital should move? It's a bit weird to see it still on Sumatra when the Dutch conquerors arrive.
     
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    ^ I think automatic capital move (Turks to Constantinople) should be enabled for the Human player too, and should be more general.
     
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    Perhaps the human player could be given a choice about that?
     
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    I could see that as a random event where you'd have to pay an amount of gold or something to make it happen.
     
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    How about making Majapahit require Renaissance + bEmpire + Capital at Java?
    So if it's still Medieval + bEmpire + capital at Palembang = Srivijaya

    Tamil should be optimized, or code so capital can change automatically to Java.

    There were only two civilization in Java island: Sundanese civilization on the very west and Javanese civilization on central part of the Island. Sundanese civilization is the Tarumanagara Kingdom; which capital is at Sundapura (Jakarta) which after 669 AD, become Sunda Kingdom. You might want to add that into EDCN.

    Javanese civilization starts as many city states. The first notable kingdom is Medang, whose capital is called Mataram. This is the civilization that builds Borobudur, and it is a Hindu-Buddhist syncretic civilization.

    Later in around 900s, Mount Merapi erupted and a king of Medang relocate the kingdom to the Eastern Java. Medang become a powerful kingdom that controls Central-Eastern Java, Bali and established colony in West Kalimantan (Sukadana).

    Medang gone into war with Srivijaya. Srivijaya, with the help of China, makes a vassal duke to revolt and kill the king of Medang while holding a marriage party. Son-in-law of that last king, Airlangga from Bali, established Kahuripan kingdom; centered in the modern Surabaya. After Airlangga's death; Kahuripan is divided into two: Janggala Kingdom and Kediri Kingdom. Kediri conquer Janggala and become a major power in Indonesia for around 200 years.
    Spoiler :


    A thief called Ken Arok fell in love with Ken Dedes, a daughter of important man of Kediri Kingdom (you can read the rest of the porn story here). He killed that man and marry Ken Dedes; found a new kingdom called Singhasari. Singhasari refused to pay tribute to Kublai Khan so Yuan Dynasty invade Java and results in the foundation of Majapahit.

    Also, there's Chinese manuscript 諸蕃志 (Zhufan Zhi), written by 趙汝适 (Zhao Rugua) about ancient civilization from Somalia to Southeast Asia thats worth reading if you have time ^^
     
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    Dabuyid dynasty as a Persian dynamic name when vassalized to the Arabs before seljuk invasions?
     
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    If China discover Construction after 180 BC, then China wouldn't be Qin but straight from Zhou into Han?
     
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    2 ways to become Qin:

    (1) Construction + Bronze Working. This represents Qin's military accomplishments. The AI always goes this route.

    (2) Currency. This represents Qin's economic and legal accomplishments. As a player I usually go this route.
     

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