Expanded Dynamic Civ Names (EDCNs)

[yurisusuki]

I assume this was directed at me. In this case, I side with you, if only because I think in this case gameplay should trump flavor.


While it is true that Byzantines considered themselves they considered themselves to be Roman, the culture was significantly different, in ways that makes it pretty hard to say "Byzantines were Romans." Yes, they technically were, but I would call them Byzantines and end it at that, not to mention the aformentioned confusion in having two Roman Empires.

The suggestion might work if you made it conditionally so that the West must be dead, but otherwise Byzantine is perfectly fine.



I didn't mean to trash talk your country, by the way. Sorry for that.

no, I just kidding .. I would find more appropriate Hueland or Stupid Monkey land

 

[The Diocletian]

no, I just kidding .. I would find more appropriate Hueland or Stupid Monkey land

Leoreth, I want a monkey resource now!

Yes. If Rome is alive Byzantium will always be East Roman Empire

If Rome is dead Byzantium is Byzantine Empire if it adopts Orthodoxy and Roman Empire otherwise.

Elegant and simple.

I approve.

 

[Leoreth]

If you stop playing RFCE++, you have more free time.

I'm playing Europa Universalis IV. Muscovy is history by the way and I'm on the fast track to form Russia, but now I'm also without allies and Poland-Lithuania and the Kalmar Union are starting to get aggressive ...

 

[The Diocletian]

I'm playing Europa Universalis IV. Muscovy is history by the way and I'm on the fast track to form Russia, but now I'm also without allies and Poland-Lithuania and the Kalmar Union are starting to get aggressive ...

Is that game worth $40?

 

[Leoreth]

It was even worth 40€. So yes, definitely.

(Also there's a demo you can try first.)

 

[The Diocletian]

It was even worth 40€.

Oh come on, how was I supposed to know you were in the EU?

 

[Leoreth]

I was making fun of the French recently ...? Okay, no, everyone does that. Of course you couldn't know.

By the way, do you still have to pay VAT on top of the price of games you buy on Steam, for instance? In that case it might've even been cheaper for me.

 

[The Diocletian]

VAT on top of the price of games you buy on Steam

I don't believe so?

That's something I can't say.

edit, relevant: If you made an online order for a Valve product and you are an international customer there may be taxes or VAT charges included in your purchase.
To the extent VAT applies to a transaction, Valve absorbs that cost and pays VAT itself.
Valve Corporation reports VAT declarations on a quarterly basis to HM Revenue & Customs in the UK, who then distributes to the various EU member countries.
Valve Corporation's eleven character "Special Scheme" identification number is:
EU 826 000 671
HM Revenue & Customs can be contacted by telephone in the UK at 0845 010 9000 (+44 208 929 0152 for international callers), or via their website at http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/

From https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=8360-WEJC-2625#taxes

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Oh come on, how was I supposed to know you were in the EU?

Because of his German Efficiency.

 

[The Diocletian]

Because of his German Efficiency.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12205196&postcount=233

Irish power.

 

[Swarbs]

Because of his German Efficiency.

I like that link. Although when done with Google.co.uk the first three are

Why are Germans so rude
Why are Germans so smart
Why are Germans so good at football

We have different priorities in the UK

EDIT: What a serendipitous edit by you just as I was about to quote your post

 

[iOnlySignIn]

I like that link. Although when done with Google.co.uk the first three are

Why are Germans so rude
Why are Germans so smart
Why are Germans so good at football

We have different priorities in the UK

EDIT: What a serendipitous edit by you just as I was about to quote your post

Well, you can have it back then:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=12205196&postcount=233

I just thought it's not entirely on topic.

Although, I am making new DCNs for modern Germany.

I just can't get North German Confederation to appear at the appropriate time with the appropriate duration.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

New Update

- HRE/Austria becomes Habsburg Empire when it has at least 1 European vassal, instead of 2. This will make Habsburg Empire appear more often.

- New HRE/Austrian vassal names:
Habsburg Spain
Habsburg Netherlands
Duchy of Milan
Free County of Burgundy
Republic of Krakau

- England will be British Empire instead of Commonwealth of England in the Industrial Era unless it has fewer than 7 cities and is running Republic.

- New Unique Vassal names for Congo:
Congo Free State
Portuguese West Africa
French Equatorial Africa

- Prussia/Germany now has 2 democratic names:
German Reich (official name of the Weimar Republic) and Federal Republic of Germany. Transition is decided by the discovery of Mass Media.

- Prussia/Germany now becomes Greater German Empire if it vassalizes any European civ (instead of specifically Austria/HRE) during the Industrial Era.

- New Prussian Vassal name for Poland:
Grand Duchy of Posen

 

[Malchar]

You could consider renaming the Iberian Union to the Empire of Hispania. I believe that the term Iberian Union was only created in modern times. When it actually existed, it was called the Empire of Hispania. You could also give the same name to Portugal if they are the ones to take over Spain.

If France vassals Spain, it could be called Bourbon Spain in accordance with the War of the Spanish Succession.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

You could consider renaming the Iberian Union to the Empire of Hispania. I believe that the term Iberian Union was only created in modern times. When it actually existed, it was called the Empire of Hispania.

I see no mention of this other than from Crusader Kings.

You could also give the same name to Portugal if they are the ones to take over Spain.

Yes. I will Iberian Union for Portugal, I mean.

If France vassals Spain, it could be called Bourbon Spain in accordance with the War of the Spanish Succession.

Current one is Spanish March (Charlemagne).

Unfortunately vassal names cannot be distinguished between eras. You get one name for one Master - Vassal pair, that's it.

 

[Leoreth]

I see no mention of this other than from Crusader Kings.

I think early Spanish monarchs used the title "imperator totius Hispaniae" (Emperor of all Spain/Iberia) which I think the CK2 title is based on.

I would prefer Iberian Union though, because it's a lot less speculative, and I've already stated my stance of the applicability of later historiographical terms for dynamic names.

 

[Mr_Hobo]

Unfortunately vassal names cannot be distinguished between eras. You get one name for one Master - Vassal pair, that's it.

Isn't there a specific name for Soviet vassals though, as opposed to, say, Fascist Russian vassals?

 

[Leoreth]

The only specific vassal names are for communist Russia and fascist Germany.

Maybe I'll rewrite that to allow for different names for master-vassal pairs too.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Maybe I'll rewrite that to allow for different names for master-vassal pairs too.

That's not worth it IMO.

There are very few instances of history where one civilization is vassalized to another during two different periods of time that warrants two different vassal names. If anything, this should be made the exception (like Islamic Republic names) rather than the rule. Like how you made the Mughals use Indian vassal names when vassalized to England and when India is dead.

Edit: Right, I will add multiple vassal names for France - Spain and China - Korea into the exception sections starting at line 1104. If anyone can think of a 3rd example please let me no.

 

[Lennon789]

How about Italy as a vassal of the HRE, and then later, Italy as a vassal of Austria, having two different names? Would this be justified?