Expanded Dynamic Civ Names (EDCNs)

[iOnlySignIn]

How about Italy as a vassal of the HRE, and then later, Italy as a vassal of Austria, having two different names? Would this be justified?

Completely doable, if you can come up with different names for them.

 

[Mr_Hobo]

France - HRE maybe? Early Confederation of the Rhine is kinda weird...

 

[Lennon789]

Italy as HRE vassal: Kingdom of Rome
Italy as Austria's vassal: Kingdom of Lombardy-Venetia (maybe just Kingdom of Lombardy for in-game purposes)

HRE as vassal of ancien regime (running Tyranny, Dynasticism, City-States, or Theocracy) France: East Francia
HRE as vassal of France running Republic or Autocracy: Confederation of the Rhine

 

[iOnlySignIn]

^ Nice. I will add these.

There is one problem though. Italy often does not control Rome. So Kingdom of Rome is perhaps less than accurate here. Perhaps Imperial Kingdom of Italy or Duchy of Milan is better.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Updated.

Additional and dynamic vassal names.

Byzantium now has a unique Islamic name: Sultanate of Rum

Persia now becomes Seleucid Empire if it's running Pantheon during the early Hellenistic Period.

 

[Locutus_Morti]

Isn't Seleucid Empire the Greek vassal name of Persia?

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Isn't Seleucid Empire the Greek vassal name of Persia?

Yes. But that never actually happens in game.

However, it is quite often that a human Persia player abandons Zoroastrianism. That needs to be represented.

 

[Malchar]

Italy under the HRE could be called the Papal States, but it might not make sense if they don't actually control the Apostolic Palace.

For Italy under Austria, it seems fine to simply call it the Kingdom of Italy assuming that Austria is an empire.

 

[Locutus_Morti]

Italy without iEmpire and capital at Rome is the Papal States.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Italy without iEmpire and capital at Rome is the Papal States.

Leoreth already added this.

 

[Malchar]

I'm just saying that I think it makes sense to have it keep that name even if it becomes a vassal to the HRE.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

I'm just saying that I think it makes sense to have it keep that name even if it becomes a vassal to the HRE.

I will make Italy Papal States if their capital is at Rome and they have fewer than 4 cities, no matter who its master is. Not just HRE.

Here: French vassal

 

[BenZL43]

Can you tie LH to DCN?
Pope can spawn everytime Papal State shown as DCN.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Can you tie LH to DCN?

Yes.

Pope can spawn everytime Papal State shown as DCN.

A new Pope LH will need to be added but that is beyond the scope of EDCNs.

 

[BenZL43]

Oh, right. I forgot that there's no Pope LH in DoC.

Since iirc now there's no stability hit for capital change, can you tie capital re-location to DCN too?
China's capital could be at Bianjing (Kaifeng) or Lin'an (Hangzhou) if it's Renaissance era but it's not yet 1400 AD #Song

 

[iOnlySignIn]

What if those cities are not founded?

In general, DCN would depend on capital location (Arabia and Mongolia are the best examples here), not the other way around. In China's case, neither is true.

 

[BenZL43]

Both are auto-founded in 600 AD scenario.

 

[BenZL43]

What is the current Islamic India name?
Could it be Suri Empire?

 

[Daedwartin]

On the Papal States, shouldn't Italy also be a theocracy to have it, seeing as the Papal States was the Territory of the Pope.

 

[BenZL43]

wouldn't that be too specific? I think just adopting Catholicism as state religion and not empire is fine.