Michael York
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The famed US Army was Patton's 3rd Army, but that was not so much the unit as it was its brilliant commander.
famous US and British military divisions
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@ knight-dragon, nod interesting history with tibet in particular.
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In 1788 Tibet turned to China for support when faced with an invasion of the Ghurka Army in a dispute of trade and boundaries. Following a period of stalemate the Tibetans and Ghurkas made a peace pact in 1792 and Chinese influence began to expand.
By the mid 19th Century Manchu power was waning and in 1856 when faced with another Ghurka invasion the Chinese did not respond. The Nepalese exacted an annual tax on Tibet. A period followed of intense rivalry between the British Raj in India and the Russians. The British fearing that the Russians wanted to control Tibet as a gateway to India.
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In 1788 Tibet turned to China for support when faced with an invasion of the Ghurka Army in a dispute of trade and boundaries. Following a period of stalemate the Tibetans and Ghurkas made a peace pact in 1792 and Chinese influence began to expand.
By the mid 19th Century Manchu power was waning and in 1856 when faced with another Ghurka invasion the Chinese did not respond. The Nepalese exacted an annual tax on Tibet. A period followed of intense rivalry between the British Raj in India and the Russians. The British fearing that the Russians wanted to control Tibet as a gateway to India.
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Prior, Tibet had been placed under the Manchu emperors' personal protection (willingly or not). Reason was to forestall the Dzungars fr controlling the religious authority of the Lamas and exerting unity over all Mongol tribes, incl those in the Mongol Banners (Dzungars were a Western Mongol tribe warring with the Manchus; Mongols were converted to Lamaism).
I remember reading specifically that the Manchus sent an army to help deal with the Gurkha situation 'cause it was so unusual.
Strange. Remembered that the last Nepalese tribute mission to the Manchu court was in 1908 or 1909, right before the Chinese Revolution of 1911. Anyways, all China was in turmoil, due to the Taipings, fr 1850s onward.
The Great Game, the second part.
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I think the brave men who gave their lives for Patton's victories deserve a teeny bit of credit...
I'm generally interested in history. If you've been posting in the History forum awhile, you can probably find a good many of my posts...
Esp interested in Chinese history, since I'm Chinese.
Michael York
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Absolutely, but that is true of the 1st army too. Patton was a tremendous general who inspite of inferior tanks (Grants & Shermans), still managed to motivate his troops to being the best in our army and lead them like no other American general.
Sorry for my tone, I guess I unintentionally down played our soldiers' bravery. (I won't get into US drafting policies & such for while accurate, its best left in a class room rather than brought out to insult our brave men to whom I owe an unrepayable debt)
Sorry for my tone, I guess I unintentionally down played our soldiers' bravery. (I won't get into US drafting policies & such for while accurate, its best left in a class room rather than brought out to insult our brave men to whom I owe an unrepayable debt)
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75th Ranger Regiment and 82nd Airborne Division I served in both
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Someone had mentioned the Coldstream Guards.
My Grandfather served in them, both in pre-war palestine, then in WW2 North Africa.
My Grandfather served in them, both in pre-war palestine, then in WW2 North Africa.
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Easy Company in WWII, obviously. I think the 341st (African American) Infantry was pretty famous in WWI also.
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The SBS are considered the more 'elite' due to the fact that they only recruit from the Royal Marines and use the SAS course as a beginner's course.
The SAS is open to entry from any branch of the service, you can be a logistics clerk one day, SAS the next.
The SAS is open to entry from any branch of the service, you can be a logistics clerk one day, SAS the next.
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Oz,
I think you are being frivilous.
The SAS is drawn from the paras, and has an extremely tough training and discipline regime.
This results in the damn hardest soldiers in NATO.
As many a dead guerilla and terrorist will testify...Well they would, except they're dead, see?
Calm down guys
Its true that you can enter the S.A.S as long as you have served the army for 3 years. And s.b.s are from royal marines (they share a cap badge).
But the s.a.s selection is still one of the worlds toughest. Why do you think the americans copied us ;p. Pass rate is incredibly low and they have seen action all over the world.
I think its silly to argue which of the 2 is best, they both have different roles. They are both amongst the best.
Its true that you can enter the S.A.S as long as you have served the army for 3 years. And s.b.s are from royal marines (they share a cap badge).
But the s.a.s selection is still one of the worlds toughest. Why do you think the americans copied us ;p. Pass rate is incredibly low and they have seen action all over the world.
I think its silly to argue which of the 2 is best, they both have different roles. They are both amongst the best.
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Just relating what I've been told. By an ex-SBS shooter.
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