Finally! Companies are hiring again. Just not in the US. US companies hire overseas.

[MobBoss]

That is quite false there! I most certainly do want a job as well as want to work. So that statement you made is completely false. How dare you make slander on me.

Civgeneral, you have said several times over the past year that there are indeed jobs you wouldnt take even if offered them.

Has your attitude about that changed?

 

[GenMarshall]

China's economy is fairly capitalist now.

Are they not controlled by a single party known as the Chinese Communist Party? You make it sound like they operate like the United States or Germany.

And Chinese people aren't going to support another revolution -- they had one in the past and realized worker's revolutions don't work -- they suck. No one is going to try that again.

A system of free enterprise and capitalism don't work ether. Income inequality, class warfare against the poor, the poor getting poorer and the richer get richer, the unemployed not getting hired. Yeah, it's time for a worker's revolution here in the states.

 

[emzie]

I've had enough of this "Larger profit or wont hire anyone" nonsense! They've been making lots of profits, sitting on piles of money, YET REFUSE TO HIRE HERE IN THE US!!? Business aren't sitting on piles of money not to go bankrupt. They are just sitting on piles of money like greedy scrooges and continue the class warfare of making the poor get poorer by not even budging to hire the unemployed and/or give them better wages.

Why should they hire if they're not short staffed? Why should anyone work for your interests over their own? What makes you so special to demand the rules be changed for you?

 

[Archbob]

Are they not controlled by a single party known as the Chinese Communist Party? You make it sound like they operate like the United States or Germany.

Economically they actually do. China has fewer regulation than the US or Germany does. Deng's reforms completely changed the way China works economically. Income disparity in China is actually the same or greater there than in the United States right now. There's far crappier products on the market in China than you can find in Germany/US. Even among the common people Urban people make 4 times what Rural people do.

Its hard to get a good reading on Chinese figures because 1/3 of the GDP is not reported and is "hidden income" which mostly is owned by the Elite over there.

A system of free enterprise and capitalism don't work ether. Income inequality, class warfare against the poor, the poor getting poorer and the richer get richer, the unemployed not getting hired. Yeah, it's time for a worker's revolution here in the states.

Works a hell lot better than any worker's revolution ever did anywhere.

 

[GenMarshall]

Economically they actually do.

There certainly making Karl Marx, Lenin, and Mao cry.

Works a hell lot better than any worker's revolution ever did anywhere.

HAH!!! All capitalism ever does is screw the poor and the unemployed. Capitalists only see it work since there not at the receiving end of the exploiting stick. They are the ones swinging the exploiting stick.

 

[RedRalph]

Civgeneral, you have said several times over the past year that there are indeed jobs you wouldnt take even if offered them.

Has your attitude about that changed?

If your daughter was unemployed in Texas or Arizona would you encourage her to become a prostitute before encouraging her to go on the dole?

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[Archbob]

There certainly making Karl Marx, Lenin, and Mao cry.


HAH!!! All capitalism ever does is screw the poor and the unemployed. Capitalists only see it work since there not at the receiving end of the exploiting stick. They are the ones swinging the exploiting stick.

All workers revolutions do is make people starve and send political enemies to "re-education" camps. See, in capital, the poor gets screwed. In worker's revolutions, everyone starves.

 

[emzie]

All workers revolutions do is make people starve and send political enemies to "re-education" camps. See, in capital, the poor gets screwed. In worker's revolutions, everyone starves.

Yeah but we starve as equals.

 

[FriendlyFire]

No they won't. They'll move to China where you can't touch 'em. Your revolution will never happen. End of discussion. Pretty please, don't reply to me. You're saying the same stuff I've already heard a million times before.

(is there any such thing as "anti-trolling"??? )

Companies will move to communist China cause it will be safer and less likely from some sort of socialist "take over".

Next up companies moving into Afganistain to reduce likely hood of terrorist attacks and minimise access to heroin.

 

[RedRalph]

You're in a tight spot here Basketcase. Might have to 'fess up China isn't communist anymore.

 

[JerichoHill]

Heck no they're not communist. They're a comman economy with some free-ish markets

and a big black market

 

[Ajidica]

All workers revolutions do is make people starve and send political enemies to "re-education" camps. See, in capital, the poor gets screwed. In worker's revolutions, everyone starves.

You don't need a workers revolution for a more equal society, look at social democracy.
(I would like to make it very clear that Marx advocated for Communism to occur in a industrialized liberal democracy, not an essentialy feudal agrarian state.)

 

[Murky]

When you slander capitalists as "fat cats" and blindly state that you don't trust a profession of 100K people, you're just demonstrating your own frustrations. Not all capitalists are fat cats (many are small business owners, are they bad?) Not all economists are righties or lefties. Not all unemployed people are unskilled and/or lazy.

When you paint an entire group in a broad brush you do yourself no favors. I'm sure that if you went to a capitalist and said "Hire me fat cat!" which is the attitude portrayed here, not very many would.

With all due respect, the "Fat Cat" or greedy capitalists or whatever you choose to label them as know what they are. Many of them are proud to be predatory. The see someone ranting about how some such and such is a sleazy, greedy scumbag they just eat it up.

Of course, no job seeker in their right mind is going to go into an interview and call their potential boss a "Fat Cat" even though it might be so. We live in a dog-eat dog kind of world. The people at the top are just the bigger/meaner/smarter/luckier dogs.

 

[BasketCase]

I've had enough of this "Larger profit or wont hire anyone" nonsense!

No you haven't. You've been ranting like that for five years. Yet you're still here. Obviously you haven't had enough. And if you reply to this, you will be proving me right.

Larger profit margin, or nobody will get hired.

Business aren't sitting on piles of money not to go bankrupt.

Yes they are. They're sitting on piles of money because they can't rely on the banks for loans. Hell, I'm doing the exact same thing myself.

Return to the risky lending of pre-2007, or nobody will get hired.

Sorry, they wont move to China. It will be verboten for them to move in a non-capitalist model.

Nice with the circular reasoning. How do you GET TO a non-capitalist model??? We're not living in one now. And I already know you don't have the balls to go to war against China, so there's no way you will ever produce a non-capitalist model in China.

Also, the revolution WILL happen.

Never. Perhaps you didn't notice, but the U.S. election of 2010 went in the OTHER DIRECTION. Two years before that, there were three socialist candidates on the Presidential ballot. They got six thousand votes. Combined. Whereas Chuck Baldwin of the far-right Constitution Party got over two hundred thousand. By himself.

The socialist revolution will never happen.

 

[galdre]

yeah, the US (or anywhere else) isn't having any revolution any time in the near future

 

[GenMarshall]

Larger profit margin, or nobody will get hired.

No. They hire now, or business will face the consequences! Again, I'm sick of this Capitalist junk of "larger profits = people get hired". All it is doing is pissing off 9.8% (or more) of the Unemployed population who want jobs NOW!! Not later, NOW!!

Yes they are. They're sitting on piles of money because they can't rely on the banks for loans.

I'm going to have to call bullhorn on that and will say that I strongly disagree with that statement. They are sitting on piles of money because they are doing nothing but hording it when they should be instead hiring people instead of letting the unemployed people suffer? Do you have no heart? Do you have no compassion for the unemployed? I take it you don't and rather let the market do the cleansing of the poor and lower classes.

The socialist revolution will never happen.

Again, yes a worker's revolution WILL happen if the fat cats in wallstreet continue to refuse to hire people!

 

[galdre]

workers vote against their own interests too often - that doesn't suggest that there will be any revolt soon

 

[Ajidica]

No. They hire now, or business will face the consequences! Again, I'm sick of this Capitalist junk of "larger profits = people get hired". All it is doing is pissing off 9.8% (or more) of the Unemployed population who want jobs NOW!! Not later, NOW!!

If corporations higher when they cannot financialy do it, that corporation will soon find itself bankrupt.

Remember with the unemployment statistic, 90% of people have jobs.

I'm going to have to call bullhorn on that and will say that I strongly disagree with that statement. They are sitting on piles of money because they are doing nothing but hording it when they should be instead hiring people instead of letting the unemployed people suffer? Do you have no heart? Do you have no compassion for the unemployed? I take it you don't and rather let the market do the cleansing of the poor and lower classes.

Hyperbole gets you nowhere. When the corporations fail, it can get pretty sucky for the economy regardless of your class.
What should be happening is programs designed to give people marketable skills and job experiance.

Again, yes a worker's revolution WILL happen if the fat cats in wallstreet continue to refuse to hire people!

Unfortunately, given the history of America with regards to revolutions and the weaking of unions, I doubt that will be happening any time soon.

 

[GenMarshall]

If corporations higher when they cannot financialy do it, that corporation will soon find itself bankrupt.

Uncle Sam has deep pockets. he can bail em out like he did before.

Remember with the unemployment statistic, 90% of people have jobs.

Only based on the Offical data from the Department of Labor. if you include the discuraged workers and other unemployed individuals who are not included in the stats. The rate would be far much higher

What should be happening is programs designed to give people marketable skills and job experiance.

I don't have time to sit around with my thumb up my butt waiting for better days or employers to start hiring again. I've been unemployed for a year, A YEAR! I was looking forward to be actually moving OUT of my parent's basement and into my own apartment with a steady income to support myself (I know some are going to say, "but you can live off of $10/hr". Try living in my state with that income). But no, the freaking bubble had to burst!

 

[useless]

A job's a job Civg lad, worry about the benefits of said job when there are more jobs, get yer foot in the door now before its too late mate.