Flag Burning - do you have a double standard?

[Red Stranger]

No one is going to stop you from burning a flag, but if you do it, you'll face the consequences.

No one is going to stop you from burning your passport when you're outside the country. But if you do, you don't come back in. The freedom to do it doesn't save you from the consequences.

 

[Red Stranger]

Great minds think alike

Horrible minds think alike too.

 

[AVN]

So, to you, it's a question about whether someone is allowed to destroy their own property?

Indeed.
And IMO one isn't always allowed to do that. Sometimes there are restrictions what one can do with a product if one buys it.

In case of buying a flag of the country where one lives that is the "flag law" of a country. Almost every country has a law which describes how the flag of that country should be treated, when it can be put out and which procedures should be followed etc.

By buying a flag one implicitely accepts to follow this law and this will in general mean that flag burning of that country is illegal.

 

[Xanikk999]

No one is going to stop you from burning a flag, but if you do it, you'll face the consequences.

No one is going to stop you from burning your passport when you're outside the country. But if you do, you don't come back in. The freedom to do it doesn't save you from the consequences.

Nobodys going to go to jail for burning a flag even if it is the law.

You might go to jail or get a fine for breaking another law though in the act of burning a flag in a public display.

 

[Rossiya]

Flag burning is simply pathetic. It's like talking about someone behind their back.

 

[Mathilda]

Horrible minds think alike too.

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[Red Stranger]

Flag burning is simply pathetic. It's like talking about someone behind their back.

I like that analogy.

But burning a flag is even worse. It's like beating up someone's little sister when you can't take on that person in a fight.

 

[Red Stranger]

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Sorry, My apologies.

It wasn't my intent to troll. I was just trying to point out that thinking alike doesn't imply great mind. I didn't mean to say that they have horrible minds. Although I can see how it can be interpretted that way.

Again, I apologize.

 

[El_Machinae]

Red: keep in mind that, despite the analogies, no one is actually hurt by a burning flag incident (unless one twists the analogy)

 

[Red Stranger]

No one is hurt by you burning your passport. You can even shred it and no one would know. But if you do, you're going to pay the consequences.

 

[Irish Caesar]

No one is hurt by you burning your passport. You can even shred it and no one would know. But if you do, you're going to pay the consequences.

You're not implying such a thing as burning one's passport should be illegal, or if it should be, why. I don't see how this is a good analogy.

 

[Red Stranger]

You're not implying such a thing as burning one's passport should be illegal, or if it should be, why. I don't see how this is a good analogy.

Not talking about legality, talking about consequences. Burn your passport, you get stuck outside the country. Burn a flag, we might have to deport you. Not necessarily jail time, but consequences.

 

[GenMarshall]

Not talking about legality, talking about consequences. Burn your passport, you get stuck outside the country. Burn a flag, we might have to deport you. Not necessarily jail time, but consequences.

What if the person in question is born and raised in the United States?

 

[Erik Mesoy]

I'm reminded of the Gandhi movie. Didn't he burn a bunch of passport-like things that all Indians had to carry?

It's a while since I saw it, so hopefully someone else who remembers better can check me on this.

 

[Irish Caesar]

Not talking about legality, talking about consequences. Burn your passport, you get stuck outside the country. Burn a flag, we might have to deport you. Not necessarily jail time, but consequences.

Surely you see the difference.

By burning your passport, you are getting rid of proof of citizenship, which becomes a problem when entering the country. You know very well what the consequences are beforehand, and you're an idiot for doing so. Of course, I would imagine if your passport was stolen, the US Embassy wouldn't just abandon you wherever you are.

By burning a flag inside the country, you're demonstrating a lack of being able to protest in a more mature way, but nothing else. The "consequences" you're speaking of are ones you're making up right now.

 

[GenMarshall]

Of course, I would imagine if your passport was stolen, the US Embassy wouldn't just abandon you wherever you are.

I heard that there is something brewing in the US Capital that would make it harder to recover your passport.

 

[JollyRoger]

I like that analogy.

But burning a flag is even worse. It's like beating up someone's little sister when you can't take on that person in a fight.

Are you equating the flag with a helpless, little girl? Why desecrate our symbol of freedom with such an unflattering comparison?

 

[Pokurcz]

Little girls ar helpless and innocent, just like the virgin soul of the fatherland!

 

[Truronian]

And why not? How would you like if something precious is burnt out of protest? Burning the flag is like burning something that we Americans hold precious and sacred.

So what? If hurting people's feelings were a crime we'd all be in jail.

 

[CaptainF]

As I have said before, the day that burning the flag is outlawed in America will be the day that I gather all the American flags, Uncle Sam posters, bald eagle paraphrenalia, state flags, military flags and portraits of government figures that I can find and burn them in front of the nearest government building.

People need to recognize that, yes, not everyone holds the same views as you.