Florida Couple Get 12 Years For Python Killing Their Daughter

A snake is not a gun, it can and will get up by itself and kill you.

Thank you for clearly spelling out my point for the people unable to discern it from my original post. :)

Am I the only one who feels bad for the snake?

I wouldn't say I "feel bad for" the snake, but I don't believe that people who mistreat snakes should be allowed to keep them.
 
I would like to hear something about whether the fact that it was <10% the size it (according to some snake guy) should be is explainable by anything other than chronic neglect.

If there is some other explanation, I'm not aware of it. With pythons, their stomach and intestine will contract in size during long periods between feeding, and will expand significantly when digesting food... but that wouldn't account for such a decline in body weight, I don't think. (I'm far from a snake expert, I just like to pretend I am on teh interwebs.)
 
Am I the only one who feels bad for the snake?

No, but you and I are probably in a minority. I've always loved snakes. Really, with that level of neglect they shouldn't be allowed to have any pets (or frankly, children, for that matter).

btw - I do know why warm bloodedness evolved. I was not serious, merely trying to reference that cold-blooded doesn't mean inferior or less evolved.
 
But it wouldn't be in quotation marks if that were the case, right? I suspect I'm never going to know the truth here. smh
Quotation marks could indicate that that's what he's called. I dunno, I'm just throwin' it out there. :p Sloppy journalism?
Well, yes, that's my point, Charles is called Jason, but why?
Am I the only one who feels bad for the snake?
Am I the only one who wants to understand Charles's nickname? *looks around* oh, right, ok, fair enough...
 
I agree that they are stupid and should be punished.

But 12 years for an accident ? 0_o
If it had been a hungry dog that killed the child, would you still consider it an "accident"? :huh:

Yeah, I was hoping they would allow some responsible person to adopt it. But you never know the snake might've liked the taste of humans.
Am I the only one who doesn't give a crap about the snake?
No, I don't either.

As for the child, it does seem accidental, but still their fault in a sense. I think 12 years may be a bit much.
I don't give a crap about the snake, either. Snakes should not be allowed as pets, period. They are wild animals, and belong in the wilderness, not in humans' homes, eating the family pet or the kids.

Am I the only one who feels bad for the snake?
Aimee, how would you feel if one of your neighbors had a snake, and the snake escaped, got into your apartment, and ate your cat? Would you consider it an "accident" and feel bad for the snake?

If that ever happened to one of my cats, I would go buy an axe and kill the snake myself (or do my damnedest to try).

As for the sentence... I don't think it was harsh enough.
 
That wouldnt happen because, I think the landlord is afraid of snakes.
 
Aimee, how would you feel if one of your neighbors had a snake, and the snake escaped, got into your apartment, and ate your cat? Would you consider it an "accident" and feel bad for the snake?

If that ever happened to one of my cats, I would go buy an axe and kill the snake myself (or do my damnedest to try).

As for the sentence... I don't think it was harsh enough.

The parents are guilty of something terrible, but do you feel bad for them?

Having compassion for a guilty party doesn't mean you can't blame it. I don't think Aimee is excusing the snake, or using the word accident.


Aimee, it was a hypothetical. The idea is to imagine your landlord being not afraid of snakes, then you imagine the other stuff.
 
Feel bad for the parents? Not in the slightest. I feel bad for the child.

You know, the victim in all this.

You don't feel bad for a parent whose stupidity has killed their child? Really? You do know that compassion and absolution are completely different things, right?

If not... I dunno, I got nothin'.
 
The thing about combining parenting and having an animal in the home is that you consider how safe the animal is to have around the humans. I should think that anybody over the age of about 12 who is not mentally ******** (in the clinical sense) or suffering from Alzheimers would know that a python is not a safe animal to have in the same home as a child - whether it's in a secure cage or not.

I'm prepared to accept that the parents didn't actively intend their child to be killed. But neither did they do anything to prevent it. Therefore, I can only conclude that they had more regard for the damn snake than for their own baby.

And so I have no compassion for them. Not. One. Bit.
 
I'm prepared to accept that the parents didn't actively intend their child to be killed. But neither did they do anything to prevent it. Therefore, I can only conclude that they had more regard for the damn snake than for their own baby.

And so I have no compassion for them. Not. One. Bit.

More regard for the snake? They didn't even feed the damn thing, (referencing its severely stunted growth, not being unfed at any specific time, people), they probably fed the kid. At worst they have little regard for either.

Hey, whatever, I just can't wrap my mind around that whole abdication of humanity thing.
 
More regard for the snake? They didn't even feed the damn thing, (referencing its severely stunted growth, not being unfed at any specific time, people), they probably fed the kid. At worst they have little regard for either.

Hey, whatever, I just can't wrap my mind around that whole abdication of humanity thing.
I should rephrase. I meant that they cared more about keeping the snake than they cared about the risks to the child.

I suppose it's possible they were afraid to try to legally get rid of the snake so they tried to starve it to death and the snake had other ideas. But that's sheer speculation and may or may not have any part of whatever passed for thoughts in these peoples' heads. But that still wouldn't allow my conscience to have compassion for anybody in this mess except the child who was killed. SHE didn't ask for stupid parents or to be killed by an animal.
 
If it had been a hungry dog that killed the child, would you still consider it an "accident"? :huh:
What does the species of the animal have to do with it being accidental or voluntary ? Do you remember what "accident" means ?
 
I didn't think anyone could actually be explicitly wrong in a thread like this but Valka's managed to dispel that notion.
 
It mentioned that the mother had the snake for many years. If she had kept this animal for years and it hadn't done anything violent before and she felt that it was relatively tame then she wouldn't have a reason to regard it as dangerous.

I heard a story a few years ago about a grown man who had a snake and he just let it roam free all the time because he thougth it was safe and the snake eventually killed him.

I hope a lot of people hear about this so they will know that pythons are potentially dangerous even if they normally appear tame. As for keeping snakes period, there are some small snakes that don't grow to large sizes and are perfectly harmless so I wouldn't be against keeping any snakes.
 
The danger of pythons are very well known. They have killed numerous adults. including the man Novakart mentioned above. And they have even successfully eaten adults in the wild where they are known to grow even larger.

But even dogs have been known to kill infants, although it is extremely rare for them to do so.

Many states have laws that prohibit private ownership of such animals. Others require a license that shows the owner is clearly aware of the potential dangers and has suitable insurance to cover any mishap that may result. Similar ordinances exist in local communities which are usually the result of specific incidents.

Britain has had a national law for decades now that even requires an annual inspection by a vet to assure the proper care of the animal is being maintained. Apparently at least part of the reason for the law is an incident in London in 1976 where a pet lion owned by a taxi driver attacked a woman wearing a leopard-skin coat.

Florida has laws that bans private ownership of specific animals and requires licenses for others. But there is no restriction regarding pythons, even though many are now growing to be huge in the Everglades and elsewhere, after they escaped or were set free. I think everybody knows about the python that tried to eat a gator and burst:

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There have been stories of pythons eating people in the wild but I've never heard of a confirmed case of it.
 
Here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_reticulatus

Attacks on humans are rare, but this species has been responsible for several human fatalities, in both the wild and captivity. They are among the few snakes that have been fairly reliably reported to eat people, although only a few cases of the snake actually eating (rather than just killing) a human appear to be authenticated:

Two incidents, apparently in early 20th century Indonesia: On Salibabu, a 14-year-old boy was killed and supposedly eaten by a specimen 5.17 m (c.17 ft) in length. Another incident involved an adult woman reputedly eaten by a "large reticulated python", but few details are known.[10]

Franz Werner reports[4] a case from Burma (or Myanmar) either occurring in the early 1910s or in 1927. A jeweller named Maung Chit Chine, who went hunting with his friends, was apparently eaten by a 6 m (20 ft.) specimen after he sought shelter from a rainstorm in or under a tree. Supposedly, he was swallowed feet-first, contrary to normal snake behavior, but perhaps the easiest way for a snake to actually swallow a human.[11]

In 1932, Frank Buck wrote about a teenage boy who was eaten by a pet 25 ft (7.6 m). reticulated python in the Philippines. According to Buck, the python had escaped and when it was found they could recognize a human child shape inside the snake, which later turned out to be the son of the snake's owner.[4]

On September 4, 1995, Ee Heng Chuan, a 29-year-old rubber tapper from the southern Malaysian state of Johor, was killed by a large reticulated python. The victim had apparently been caught unaware and was squeezed to death. The snake had coiled around the lifeless body with the victim's head gripped in its jaws when it was stumbled upon by the victim's brother. The python, measuring 23 ft (7.0 m) long and weighing more than 300 lb, was killed soon after by the arriving police, who required 4 shots to bring it down.[4]

According to Mark Auliya, the corpse of 32-year-old Mangyan, Lantod Gumiliu, was recovered from the belly of a 7m (c.23 ft.) reticulated python on Mindoro, probably in January, 1998.[9]

On October 23, 2008 a 25-year old Virginia Beach woman, Amanda Ruth Black, appeared to have been killed by a 13-foot (4.0 m) pet reticulated python. The apparent cause of death was asphyxiation. The snake was later found in the bedroom in an agitated state.[12]

On January 21, 2009 a 3-year-old Las Vegas boy was wrapped by an 18-foot (5.5 m) pet reticulated python, turning blue. The boy's mother, who had been babysitting the python on behalf of a friend, rescued the toddler by gashing the python with a knife. The snake was later euthanized because of its fatal wounds.[13]

Considering the known maximum prey size, it is technically possible for a full-grown specimen to open its jaws wide enough to swallow a human child, teenager, or even an adult, although the flaring shoulders of Homo sapiens could pose a problem for a snake with not enough size (<6 meters). The victim would almost certainly be dead by the time the snake started swallowing.
 
I had read this before too but the stories of them actually eating people are from a really long time ago so I'm a bit skeptical. That is except for the one in Malaysia and it didn't actually manage to eat the man.
 
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