Flynn cops a plea

[FriendlyFire]

Interesting I though the "never Trump" Republicans had all sold their souls
I wonder how long before the bubble burst ?

Shep Smith: Flynn's guilty plea undermines Trump's 'fake news' claim on Russia

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...a-undermines-trumps-fake-news-claim-on-russia

 

[Synobun]

The nothingburger is still being heated? You see, Synsensa, the problem is that it is one, bound to end in a humiliation to everyone who aligned behind it.

Yes, that is why people are being indicted and charged. Only blase affairs result in prison time.

One of the more amusing retorts to the Mueller investigation I've come across, besides it being a demonstration that Mueller is secretly a Democrat, is that it's obviously nothing because it hasn't had an explosive end with fireworks yet. This conveniently ignores that the investigation into Nixon, our best comparison (that took place over 40 years ago), lasted for over two years.

That people like you believe it's as simple as pulling up the rug and having a quick gander is nonsensical. It takes time to investigate a presidential administration and its election campaign.

 

[FriendlyFire]

What the F ?

Nothing about the guilty plea or the charge implicates anyone other than Mr. Flynn,” White House lawyer Ty Cobb said in a statement, referring to Flynn as “a former Obama administration official.” (emphasis mine)

 

[hobbsyoyo]

That's the new talking point. It ignores the fact that Obama fired him and warned the Trump administration that he was compromised but there it is. They are trying to play the Obama = Evil angle to distance themselves from their own fallen compatriot.

 

[Gori the Grey]

He worked for a much longer time in the Obama administration than in the Trump administration. Facts is facts.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

We've known it all along. The question is whether or not Flynn can and will prove it.

The current information looks like building an arch from both sides. On one side we have Kushner involved in Flynn contacting the Russians and discussing "what we can do for you as soon as we get in office." On the other side we have Kushner involved in the meeting during the campaign to discuss what the Russians have to offer in the form of illegally obtained "dirt" on Clinton. If those two structures meet at a keystone in the center and form a solid arch then Kushner can probably be hanged from it. Which begs the question, would he implicate his father in law? His brother in law? Or will he take the fall and count on a pardon?

Interesting take.

I'll be honest, I'm tired of thinking and hearing about the drama. It is an interesting story, the kind of things I'll be telling young people about in 20 years.

But I'm just ready for it to be over.

He worked for a much longer time in the Obama administration than in the Trump administration. Facts is facts.

Yeah. On paper, he was the ideal person for the positions he held. The Obama administration was about hiring competent people, not administration loyalists so they hired him. And they should have hired him - we should want a government that is capable of hiring competent people from different political backgrounds.

The Obama administration was so committed to competence that they fired him when his true nature was shown and tried to warn the incoming administration of the danger.

That the warnings were ignored to install him as a loyalist patronage is telling of the level of maturity of the current administration.

 

[Berzerker]

It is ! Without Benghazi (whatever that was) and the email thing (which I still don't understand) she would be president.
It's her fault that Tump is POTUS, therefore everything that happens is her fault.
Her fault and hers alone. The people who voted for Trump are not responsible.

Hillary is responsible, we could have President Bernie Sanders

 

[Ajidica]

Yeah. On paper, he was the ideal person for the positions he held. The Obama administration was about hiring competent people, not administration loyalists so they hired him. And they should have hired him - we should want a government that is capable of hiring competent people from different political backgrounds.

The Obama administration was so committed to competence that they fired him when his true nature was shown and tried to warn the incoming administration of the danger.

By all accounts Flynn was excellent and planning and coordinating special operations and other operational decisions, but ended up going sort of crazy once he ended up in a strategic office.
Peter principle at work.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

By all accounts Flynn was excellent and planning and coordinating special operations and other operational decisions, but ended up going sort of crazy once he ended up in a strategic office.
Peter principle at work.

I also read he was a horrible boss and abusive of his direct reports.

 

[FriendlyFire]

He worked for a much longer time in the Obama administration than in the Trump administration. Facts is facts.

I believe you need to add "Alternative Facts"
Because the Gaslighting and pretzel twisting is going to be top notch

CNN: White House claims Obama admin approved Flynn calls with Russian ambassador

The White House said on Friday that it was the Obama administration that authorized former national security adviser Michael Flynn's contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during President Trump's transition, according to CNN.

Flynn pleaded guilty on Friday to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Kislyak in the month before Trump took office, the first current or former Trump White House official brought down by special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's election meddling. Court records indicate that his communications with Kislyak were directed by a Trump transition official, with multiple news outlets reporting that official was Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...obama-admin-approved-flynn-calls-with-russian

 

[Broken_Erika]

How much you wanna bet they'll say hillary ordered it?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I believe you need to add "Alternative Facts"
Because the Gaslighting and pretzel twisting is going to be top notch

Unreal. Flipping unreal. I wonder if this will gain any traction? I think they are reaching the limits of what they can get away with. As has been said before, it's not the crime that brought down Nixon, it was the cover up. This is stupid watergate.

 

[Birdjaguar]

There may be a prize in this Cracker Jacks box: Pence knew about the conversations and that Flynn was lying. If so, he is up for obstruction too perhaps. Should that be the case, Mueller needs to take down Pence first and get him out of the way.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Is this really happening? Do I live in an onion article?

 

[Perfection]

 

[innonimatu]

I know that the Clapper guy is a known liar (btw, why does Flynn get in trouble for lying to an FBI agent but Clapper could lie in sworn testimony to your representatives and nothing happened to him?). But this quote, if taken at face value, does indicate that the administration knew about those contacts:

“That’s absurd. That’s absolutely absurd," Clapper said on CNN.

"There was great concern at the time, not just with this particular contact, but with the violation of the principle that historically been followed of one president, one administration at a time," he added. "So to say that we blessed it, or acquiesced it is a stretch.”

This whole drama will necessarily be seen as a bunch of liar politicians attacking another bunch of liar politicians. Nothing will come out of it, nothing can come out of it, unless one of those groups loses enough popularity that it becomes open actual action against it. If it hasn't happened so far, it won't happen. Trump could only be toppled in a coup (like Brazil's, and I would call it a coup also) if his popularity fell into the 10-20% range. Yet people persist in wasting their time dreaming about it.

 

[JollyRoger]

He worked for a much longer time in the Obama administration than in the Trump administration. Facts is facts.

Not measured in golf years.

 

[Broken_Erika]

He worked for a much longer time in the Obama administration than in the Trump administration. Facts is facts.

I thought facts were fake-news propaganda from the Liberal-Media Elite.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Trump just tweeted that he fired Flynn because he lied to the FBI...

 

[FriendlyFire]

Stupid is as a Stupid dose

In apparent shift, Trump tweets he fired Flynn for lying to FBI

President Trump said Saturday he had to fire Michael Flynn as national security adviser because he lied to Vice President Pence and the FBI, an apparent shift from the reasons Trump stated at the time of Flynn's ouster.
Trump’s changing rationale is a discrepancy that will catch the attention of prosecutors on Mueller’s team looking into whether the president tried to obstruct the investigation.

"I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies," Trump tweeted while traveling in New York City for fundraising events.
Trump also stressed “there was nothing to hide!”

"It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!" he added.
The president’s tweet is his most substantial reaction yet to Flynn’s guilty plea in special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation.

In June, former FBI Director James Comey testified before Congress that Trump asked him to end the investigation into Flynn during an Oval Office meeting on Feb. 14. Trump's lawyers have disputed that account.

Trump fired Comey in May.
If Trump knew that Flynn had lied to the FBI and then asked Comey to drop the investigation, it could amount to obstruction of justice, according to some legal experts.

"This is a pretty substantial confession to essential knowledge elements of an obstruction of justice charge," tweeted Susan Hennessey, a national security fellow at the Brookings Institution.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-trump-tweets-he-fired-flynn-for-lying-to-fbi