Flynn cops a plea

The Russians took the lead. Trump's not too incompetent to pick up something lying on the ground before him.
 
How did Russia "Throw" the Elections to Trump ???
LOCK HER UP !!!

Emails Dispute White House Claims That Flynn Acted Independently on Russia

The sanctions could also make it much harder for Mr. Trump to ease tensions with Russia, “which has just thrown the U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote in the emails obtained by The Times.

“If there is a tit-for-tat escalation Trump will have difficulty improving relations with Russia, which has just thrown U.S.A. election to him,” she wrote.

It is not clear whether Ms. McFarland was saying she believed that the election had in fact been thrown. A White House lawyer said on Friday that she meant only that the Democrats were portraying it that way.

Ms. McFarland, who served until May as deputy national security adviser and is awaiting confirmation as ambassador to Singapore, was sometimes referred to by other transition officials as “Flynn’s brain.” She could not be reached for comment.

The Trump transition team ignored a pointed request from the Obama administration to avoid sending conflicting signals to foreign officials before the inauguration and to include State Department personnel when contacting them. Besides the Russian ambassador, Mr. Flynn, at the request of the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, contacted several other foreign officials to urge them to delay or block a United Nations resolution condemning Israel over its building of settlements.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/02/us/russia-mcfarland-flynn-trump-emails.html?_r=0
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Zelig said:
Have we? I'd bet team Trump is actually too inept to functionally collude with the Russians.
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Whereas I'd guess thet were too incomptetent to realize what they were doing when they functionally colluded with the russians.
 
Arakhor said:
That is stunningly inept. Why haven't his lawyers wrestled him to the ground and confiscated his phone for his own safety??
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Because his lawyers are treating him the way he treats everybody else...

The more trouble he gets in... the more work they have to do... the more work they have to do... the more they get paid.
 
So in terms of American entertainment... The Trump saga would be about on season 2 right now or so?

How is it all going to end? It seems like it could go in so many interesting directions. Any predictions when the big series finale is going to be? I am not really interested enough in the plot here to pay attention, but I don't want to miss the climax and the twist ending.
 
Season 1: Primaries: The Bully Takes Charge
Season 2: Election: Fake News, Hate and a Little Help from his Friends
Season 3: Year One: The Loser Lies Large
Season 4: Year 2: Lock Them All Up

In Reality, much of what will happen will hinge on how caught up Mike Pence is in the Flynn events. If Pence knew Flynn was compromised and lied to the FBI, then he could go down and that makes impeachment and indictment more difficult. As long as Pence is not implicated, the Republicans have a clear path for Trump to resign or be impeached. I suspect that Trump would rather resign rather than be impeached and removed. I doubt that he will come out of this clean and any taint will label him a loser.

What I would like to see is Pence implicated and forced to resign; a new VP, Trump and his family indicted and forced to resign and a new president. I'll take my chances that he would be better than either Trump or Pence.
 
Sommerswerd said:
Because his lawyers are treating him the way he treats everybody else...

The more trouble he gets in... the more work they have to do... the more work they have to do... the more they get paid.
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A brilliant plan, except Trump doesn't pay his legal bills :lol:
 
Birdjaguar said:
Season 1: Primaries: The Bully Takes Charge
Season 2: Election: Fake News, Hate and a Little Help from his Friends
Season 3: Year One: The Loser Lies Large
Season 4: Year 2: Lock Them All Up

In Reality, much of what will happen will hinge on how caught up Mike Pence is in the Flynn events. If Pence knew Flynn was compromised and lied to the FBI, then he could go down and that makes impeachment and indictment more difficult. As long as Pence is not implicated, the Republicans have a clear path for Trump to resign or be impeached. I suspect that Trump would rather resign rather than be impeached and removed. I doubt that he will come out of this clean and any taint will label him a loser.

What I would like to see is Pence implicated and forced to resign; a new VP, Trump and his family indicted and forced to resign and a new president. I'll take my chances that he would be better than either Trump or Pence.
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Realistically, without congress shifting to Democrat control there will be no action against D'ump. So I'd like to see any action against Pence delayed until the Senate is in Democratic party hands. Pence would be a more dangerous president than D'ump himself, and if the Republicans control the senate and can approve a D'ump appointee it would likely be someone even worse than Pence.
 
Does the Senate have to approve a VP appointee? If so, with Pence not there, there is no one to break a tie vote. Or does it take more than a majority to appoint a VP.?
 
Birdjaguar said:
Does the Senate have to approve a VP appointee? If so, with Pence not there, there is no one to break a tie vote. Or does it take more than a majority to appoint a VP.?
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Yes they do. In fact they have to be approved by majority in the House and Senate. With no VP there is no tiebreaker so it takes a clean majority.
 
innonimatu said:
This whole drama will necessarily be seen as a bunch of liar politicians attacking another bunch of liar politicians. Nothing will come out of it, nothing can come out of it, unless one of those groups loses enough popularity that it becomes open actual action against it. If it hasn't happened so far, it won't happen. Trump could only be toppled in a coup (like Brazil's, and I would call it a coup also) if his popularity fell into the 10-20% range. Yet people persist in wasting their time dreaming about it.
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I largely agree here. Until supporting Trump becomes a liability in Republican primaries, Republican politicians will continue supporting him, and impeachment will always need Republican support (in the Senate).
I don't think many people are realistically thinking about impeachment in the short term (that is, prior to the 2018 elections), the impeachment talk mostly seems to be used to motivate the left-wing partisans.

If (a big if) the Democrats grab the House in 2018, I could see impeachment proceedings starting and perhaps even finishing in the House (a la Clinton). I'm not sure how useful politically these things will actually be, and I think the ongoing procedures and investigations might actually be more useful than a failed attempt at impeachment.


20% popularity is not that far off, by the way, Trump started at 45% approval (with a short spike to 50%), and is now at 38%. If he would keep losing 7% approval per year, you get to 20% at the end, but it's hard to predict how approval will develop.
 
dutchfire said:
I largely agree here. Until supporting Trump becomes a liability in Republican primaries, Republican politicians will continue supporting him, and impeachment will always need Republican support (in the Senate).
I don't think many people are realistically thinking about impeachment in the short term (that is, prior to the 2018 elections), the impeachment talk mostly seems to be used to motivate the left-wing partisans.

If (a big if) the Democrats grab the House in 2018, I could see impeachment proceedings starting and perhaps even finishing in the House (a la Clinton). I'm not sure how useful politically these things will actually be, and I think the ongoing procedures and investigations might actually be more useful than a failed attempt at impeachment.


20% popularity is not that far off, by the way, Trump started at 45% approval (with a short spike to 50%), and is now at 38%. If he would keep losing 7% approval per year, you get to 20% at the end, but it's hard to predict how approval will develop.
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I actually like the fact that supporting D'ump is not only not a liability, but will hopefully be a necessity in Republican primaries. In my district the Republicans have held the seat for at least fifty years. Obama carried the district twice, and even Clinton came very close, but neither of them could lend enough support to defeat the local "moderate" Republican incumbent. A Trumpist would have no shot at defending the seat. I can't believe this is the only place with that situation.

In 2016 a lot of Republicans were allowed to run on "well, I don't really support Trump." By 2018 they will be forced to fish or cut bait, and based on the results in Virginia that is really going to hurt them.
 
He has long been hovering around 40%. And the reason he doesn't fall further is because people see no alternative to him, so those supporters end up getting back to support him. The reason is that the opposition party is a disgrace, they can't pick up the dissatisfied. Both are parties for the wealthy and the large segment of the poor in america has thrown their lot with Trump, not hoping fro any better from the Democracts after Obama betrayed those hopes, and still sees no reason to switch.

I don't expect anything to change in 2018.
 
innonimatu said:
He has long been hovering around 40%.
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So, this is the lie you present as evidence to support the rest of your conclusions, which are actually unsupported, yes?

Declining consistently from 45% to 36% isn't "hovering around" forty, it is passing through forty.
 
I don't have any horse in that race, dude. Keep believing what you will.
 
If Mueller takes an indictment path (obstruction of justice, money laundering or other criminal acts) rather than an impeachment path, the game will change. Congress need not be involved. But once impeachment comes up, pardons cannot be used. It is a pretty interesting situation.
 
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