YossarianLives
Deity
Yes, let's send it.
Foreign Policy: UniversCiv
- Thread starter talonschild
- Start date
I think the sides are all but formed at this point...
CFC-CP-Poly vs. RB-WPC-UCiv
CivFr-SpAp is a temporary alliance but once SpAp is gone CivFr will choose between us or the RB alliance.
Poor poor CfDe (Germans) are by themselves with no allies.
CFC-CP-Poly vs. RB-WPC-UCiv
CivFr-SpAp is a temporary alliance but once SpAp is gone CivFr will choose between us or the RB alliance.
Poor poor CfDe (Germans) are by themselves with no allies.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
My opinion is the alliance RB-WPC-UCiv is far-far-away from happening if at all happens any time.
RB and WPC are clear allies. They fight Germans together and share the lands by agreement. With UCiv there is more of a question and of course with CivFr all will depend on what happens in this War we are in, but I think it is pointless to think that a team as skilled as RB has ZERO allies. Of course they have allies by now.
We have allies, and they have allies as well. It does not make any sense to think that RB has no allies.
We have allies, and they have allies as well. It does not make any sense to think that RB has no allies.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Hey, Sommers, did you noticed how Scooter asked Yossa for you once and why you are not doing our diplomacy with them? I was a bit disappointed you did not commented on that buddy 
I suggest next time when RB ask for you, Yossa to say we keep you for our important diplomatuc goals
YossarianLives
Deity
It's harder for the #1 team to secure reliable allies, because obviously every team wants to win, not just prop up someone else to win. I absolutely believe that if we are able to take RB down a notch and we end up in the top spot, we'll quickly see our own alliances weaken and evaporate (or grow stronger without us 
)
WPC might be firmly in RB's camp right now simply because they have to realize they don't stand a chance to win anymore, so their goals and objectives have to change based on that. We've had really good relations with them up to this point (gifting happy resources, buying units and sharing map info), so I think there's still some chance we can sway them away from RB. Anyways, they're likely too small to make much difference, and we may want to use them being allies with RB as an excuse to take them out next
UCiv seems to be playing their own game right now, it's hard to tell exactly what they're thinking. I doubt they've given up all hope of winning this game, though. When they had the chance to take advantage of the Spaniards DOW against us, they didn't take it, either by declaring on us themselves or even accepting our bribe for a NAP. That makes me think they're just not paying a lot of attention and just playing their own game. Maybe things have changed since way back then, though.
I feel that CivFr is similar to UCiv in that they're just playing their own game, not really paying attention to what's happening elsewhere. If they were paying attention, they should have known that their last messages to us were absolutely ridiculous. I think that whichever "alliance" they hop onto won't benefit too much from their membership, as I doubt they'll do anything except continuing whatever they feel is best for them.
)WPC might be firmly in RB's camp right now simply because they have to realize they don't stand a chance to win anymore, so their goals and objectives have to change based on that. We've had really good relations with them up to this point (gifting happy resources, buying units and sharing map info), so I think there's still some chance we can sway them away from RB. Anyways, they're likely too small to make much difference, and we may want to use them being allies with RB as an excuse to take them out next
UCiv seems to be playing their own game right now, it's hard to tell exactly what they're thinking. I doubt they've given up all hope of winning this game, though. When they had the chance to take advantage of the Spaniards DOW against us, they didn't take it, either by declaring on us themselves or even accepting our bribe for a NAP. That makes me think they're just not paying a lot of attention and just playing their own game. Maybe things have changed since way back then, though.
I feel that CivFr is similar to UCiv in that they're just playing their own game, not really paying attention to what's happening elsewhere. If they were paying attention, they should have known that their last messages to us were absolutely ridiculous. I think that whichever "alliance" they hop onto won't benefit too much from their membership, as I doubt they'll do anything except continuing whatever they feel is best for them.
YossarianLives
Deity
I suggest next time when RB ask for you, Yossa to say we keep you for our important diplomatuc goals
that's awesome!
I did notice that and I was tempted to say "Oh they want me do they??... They should be careful what they ask for... I will draft a letter to them now."
I suggest next time when RB ask for you, Yossa to say we keep you for our important diplomatuc goals
However... I didn't want to make it about me, because it's not about me.
I do think that Scooter is trying to goad me into speaking to them, sort of implying I'm scared of hm, or them, or whatever... Maybe I will have a little more time for fooling around with RB once I move
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
It's harder for the #1 team to secure reliable allies, because obviously every team wants to win, not just prop up someone else to win. I absolutely believe that if we are able to take RB down a notch and we end up in the top spot, we'll quickly see our own alliances weaken and evaporate (or grow stronger without us
WPC might be firmly in RB's camp right now simply because they have to realize they don't stand a chance to win anymore, so their goals and objectives have to change based on that. We've had really good relations with them up to this point (gifting happy resources, buying units and sharing map info), so I think there's still some chance we can sway them away from RB. Anyways, they're likely too small to make much difference, and we may want to use them being allies with RB as an excuse to take them out next
UCiv seems to be playing their own game right now, it's hard to tell exactly what they're thinking. I doubt they've given up all hope of winning this game, though. When they had the chance to take advantage of the Spaniards DOW against us, they didn't take it, either by declaring on us themselves or even accepting our bribe for a NAP. That makes me think they're just not paying a lot of attention and just playing their own game. Maybe things have changed since way back then, though.
I feel that CivFr is similar to UCiv in that they're just playing their own game, not really paying attention to what's happening elsewhere. If they were paying attention, they should have known that their last messages to us were absolutely ridiculous. I think that whichever "alliance" they hop onto won't benefit too much from their membership, as I doubt they'll do anything except continuing whatever they feel is best for them.
Very very good analyze, Yossa. I hope to have time to comment on it later.
We didn't send UCiv anything lately, did we? I am not comfortable with 2metra's suggestion. IMO, we should just tell them that we're planning to move against RB with our allies after turn 175 and ask if they can join us or support our efforts. If they are cozying up RB they'll go tell them. RB will then whip their economy to dust, which is pretty much a good thing. If they are not, they either just stay neutral or in the best case we'll gain an ally.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Yes, I am OK in principle for telling them we will be committed to fight RB, but what is wrong with a bit of pre-talks?
The problem I have with the current message is that if that gets out, we'll sound either like a bunch of liars or a bunch idiots. I must confess that I don't remember if RB really suggested we DoW UCiv, but I am pretty sure that no-one is going to bite this "Then out of a sudden CivFR came to threaten us with war and obviously they are with alliance with the Zulu, as they move army to Zulu borders and Zulu only moves army towards us." I don't think anyone would've believed it even before CivFr DoW'd Zulu. Let's not put too much flavour in the message. It'll only make us look silly (in a bad way).
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
It is true a lot of water ran since this message was composed, but RB did suggested: "Why dont you attack Uciv instead of us".
Telling on CivFr did not work on Zulu, and telling on RB will not work on UCiv either I think.
Yeah, I also think it is a bad idea. Scooter desperately wanted to know what is going on with our war with CivFr - and I believe it is against our best interest to tell him, unless we are interested in the long-term NAP with RB - which btw my be a good idea if we will not be able to secure peace with CivFr. Anyway, what the message to UCiv may accomplish is to leak a lot of unnecessary info about geopolitics. And O agree with Aivo that the message make us look a little bit silly - perhaps that was an intended effect
- but to me it sounds like we are lost in terms of understanding geopolitics :-( If we want to fish for information, why not some neutral question how they are doing and what interesting is going on? And save all the explaining until they ask - if they ever do. Just my 2$. I agree with Aivo that badmouthing RB is not a good idea, especially that they said something about us attacking UCiv in a casual conversation. The main problem is that an attempt to gain somebody's trust by telling them what somebody else told us in a sort of a confidential manner may not be very effective
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
There are huge differences.
But same principle.
BTW, I really think we could simplify our diplomacy a lot - and make it even more effective - by implementing a rather simple rule: listen to Sommerswerd
.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Not at all!
But same principle.
BTW, I really think we could simplify our diplomacy a lot - and make it even more effective - by implementing a rather simple rule: listen to Sommerswerd
Hi Sommers, I am trying to contribute, but I am a bit tired of writing all these "I agree with Sommers" posts
We seem to see things very similarly in terms of diplomacy, so I would like to officially grant Sommerswerd the power to vote for me on any matter related to diplomacy, until revoked. What do you say Sommers? You could simply end every email regarding diplomacy with "And Maga agrees with that." Would be better for environment and such
What can I say besides 
EDIT: Oh, and BTW... Maga says
to that!Similar threads
