Fox News On Recent Snowstorms

[Merkinball]

Changes in air temperature mess with weather patterns dependent on balances of air temperatures and pressures. Rising temperatures change air currents, which creates unpredictable and unusual weather.

Or maybe Fox News should go find out what Arctic Oscillation is.

The best part about being a climate change sheep is that you get to have your cake and eat it too. Everything is because of global warming!

RFK, Jr. 15 months ago: Global warming means no snow or cold in DC
By: David Freddoso
Online Opinion Editor
02/08/10 5:05 PM EST

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/RFK-79834057.html#ixzz0fGcj5JGf

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who flies around on private planes so as to tell larger numbers of people how they must live their lives in order to save the planet, wrote a column last year on the lack of winter weather in Washington, D.C.

In Virginia, the weather also has changed dramatically. Recently arrived residents in the northern suburbs, accustomed to today's anemic winters, might find it astonishing to learn that there were once ski runs on Ballantrae Hill in McLean, with a rope tow and local ski club. Snow is so scarce today that most Virginia children probably don't own a sled. But neighbors came to our home at Hickory Hill nearly every winter weekend to ride saucers and Flexible Flyers.

In those days, I recall my uncle, President Kennedy, standing erect as he rode a toboggan in his top coat, never faltering until he slid into the boxwood at the bottom of the hill. Once, my father, Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, brought a delegation of visiting Eskimos home from the Justice Department for lunch at our house. They spent the afternoon building a great igloo in the deep snow in our backyard. My brothers and sisters played in the structure for several weeks before it began to melt. On weekend afternoons, we commonly joined hundreds of Georgetown residents for ice skating on Washington's C&O Canal, which these days rarely freezes enough to safely skate.

Meanwhile, Exxon Mobil and its carbon cronies continue to pour money into think tanks whose purpose is to deceive the American public into believing that global warming is a fantasy.

Having shoveled my walk five times in the midst of this past weekend's extreme cold and blizzard, I think perhaps RFK, Jr. should leave weather analysis to the meteorologists instead of trying to attribute every global phenomenon to anthropogenic climate change.

UPDATE: RFK Jr. responds: “Idiots on the right like Rush like to point to any cold-weather anomalies as proof that global warming doesn’t exist.”

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/RFK-79834057.html#ixzz0fGd6ew05

 

[MobBoss]

Classic, Merk. Nice find.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If you want an explanation of the difference between Climate Change and Global Warming, don't be shy to ask Merkie. Or if you want to learn about the concept of an Average. Or what that pesky word "Global" means.

I don't mind going over it with you.

Again.

 

[Berzerker]

Global warming creates more extremes of weathers, I.e a colder winter & a hotter summer i thought, or did no one tell Fox?

Global warming = colder winters?

But I did like the 'global warming causes colder winters' comment in this thread. Nice one.

yup

Except that it does. Saying stuff like that (and all the snowmageddon disproves climate change) is like me saying that since it's dark outside now, that must mean that it's never going to be light again.

I'd love to hear how global warming causes colder winters. I'd expect an increase in annual global snowfall but I'd also expect more "uniformity" and a slightly thicker atmosphere - that would tend to moderate colder areas. Heavy snowfall is more likely with warmer winter temperatures, cold enough to snow, but warm enough to hold plenty of water vapor.

Meanwhile Vancouver aint got enough snow

 

[warpus]

Dudes, the snow storm in DC is due to something you might have all heard of (or not) - El Nino.

 

[CaptainF]

lol.

"Hey guys, what are weather patterns? El Niño, La Niña, it's all really hazy to me."

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'd love to hear how global warming causes colder winters.

I just heard one climatologist about this, so I'm not saying this is true. It sounds possible though but take it no further as speculation. I do until I find some credible back up. Anyway, he claimed that changing wind patterns bring in cold from the artic. Which according to him would mean we'd see the artic heating up in the near future (ie warmer than normal suring that time of year, not just because summer's around )

So again, I'm not claiming this is the case, just a possible scenario.

 

[Berzerker]

Dudes, the snow storm in DC is due to something you might have all heard of (or not) - El Nino.

El Nino is a warming of the E Pacific, if they become more common because of warmer oceans we can expect more snowfall and less severe hurricane seasons.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Also, I thought the fact that weather and climate not the same thing (although related) was something I learned in elementary school.

 

[Joecoolyo]

Dudes, the snow storm in DC is due to something you might have all heard of (or not) - El Nino.

Except that isn't the cause of it either, the El Nino has been steadily declining since January, as can be seen by this gif by NOAA.

EDIT:

I'd love to hear how global warming causes colder winters. I'd expect an increase in annual global snowfall but I'd also expect more "uniformity" and a slightly thicker atmosphere - that would tend to moderate colder areas. Heavy snowfall is more likely with warmer winter temperatures, cold enough to snow, but warm enough to hold plenty of water vapor.

Well, lets see. Global Warming increases global temperatures. Increased temperatures melt polar ice caps. Polar ice caps melting send huge swaths of cold fresh water into the delicate systems of the salt water oceans, messing up the currents. Messing up currents messes up where warm water is supposed to go (i.e. Gulf Stream), and then causes severe winters in, lets see, the Northeast and Europe.

 

[Merkinball]

Dudes, the snow storm in DC is due to something you might have all heard of (or not) - El Nino.

Yeah, just like the whole 11" they got in 1998.

 

[Berzerker]

I just heard one climatologist about this, so I'm not saying this is true. It sounds possible though but take it no further as speculation. I do until I find some credible back up. Anyway, he claimed that changing wind patterns bring in cold from the artic. Which according to him would mean we'd see the artic heating up in the near future (ie warmer than normal suring that time of year, not just because summer's around )

So again, I'm not claiming this is the case, just a possible scenario.

We do need more research into jet stream cycles and the long term interaction of varying pressure zones, but if his theory explains or predicts a warmer arctic, how does that translate into more arctic blasts of extreme cold? There is a theory the mini ice age was caused in part by a shift in wind patterns with N Europe getting hit more consistently from the Northeast.

 

[Earthling]

Aw right Bill Nye is my homie...forgot how awesome he was...

 

[warpus]

Except that isn't the cause of it either, the El Nino has been steadily declining since January, as can be seen by this gif by NOAA.

But Bill Nye the science guy said so!

 

[Joecoolyo]

But Bill Nye the science guy said so!

You sir, just brought back a crap-load of nostalgia

 

[Berzerker]

Well, lets see. Global Warming increases global temperatures. Increased temperatures melt polar ice caps. Polar ice caps melting send huge swaths of cold fresh water into the delicate systems of the salt water oceans, messing up the currents. Messing up currents messes up where warm water is supposed to go (i.e. Gulf Stream), and then causes severe winters in, lets see, the Northeast and Europe.

But that would cause colder summers too... Thats when the melting is occurring. So global warming = global cooling (so whats the problem?)? That theory is based on the Younger Dryas ~13-11.5 kya when a warming trend was reversed in the N Atlantic region. But sea levels were much lower back then with currents more restricted (more vulnerable to concentrated run-off) and it wasn't the melting ice that caused it, it was the release of massive freshwater lakes breaking thru weakened and/or retreating ice dams. Lake Bonneville in Utah, Lake Missoula in Montana/Idaho, Lake Agassiz in Canada NW of the Great Lakes, and an even more massive lake in Russia all drained ~13,000 years ago. All over the world massive lakes were dumping into the oceans, those conditions aint nowhere near comparable to today. The flooding back then was...biblical.

Well, a Tlingit legend places the Flood 14,000 years ago...

 

[Cutlass]

The decade goes from 2001-2010, so since they got that wrong, the whole article is in doubt. If they can't even report something as simple as calender issues accurately, how can they be trusted with something as complex as global warming?

Although any period of ten years is a decade,[2][3] a convenient and frequently referenced interval is based on the tens digit of the calendar year, as in using 1960s to represent the decade from 1960 to 1969

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade

 

[warpus]

And I'm serious too, one of the videos linked in the OP has bill nye coming on and explaining stuff. (I do believe it is the same video I watched earlier today)

 

[FriendlyFire]

Heh, wow, more foxnews angst. Gotta love it.

Again...Hannity isnt a news show folks.

Do we need to repeat that?

But I did like the 'global warming causes colder winters' comment in this thread. Nice one.

You havent been to a desert (in winter) have you Mobboss ?
FFS we having out HOTTEST SUMMER on RECORD RIGHT NOW.

 

[Kennigit]

Spoiler :

I'm sure melting ice caps have no effect on currents such as the gulf stream (that warms up parts of Europe, etc) and has no effect on climate.

Hey, it's getting kind of dark here. I guess that disputes the theory of global brightening.