Fox News On Recent Snowstorms

[Esckey]

The sun has steadily been going down, there fore it will never come back up. Its a sure sign of the apocalypse

stupid fox news, I don't understand how people take that crap seriously. I bust out laughing as soon as I see the "news" on it

 

[warpus]

The sun has steadily been going down, there fore it will never come back up. Its a sure sign of the apocalypse

stupid fox news, I don't understand how people take that crap seriously. I bust out laughing as soon as I see the "news" on it

People will believe what they want to believe.

 

[Bootstoots]

I think the take-home message is that it makes no sense to use a ~1 degree increase in the long-term global temperature average to explain a few snowstorms or the lack thereof in a specific place. Sean Hannity and the Washington Examiner guy both fail at statistics.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

The best part about being a climate change sheep is that you get to have your cake and eat it too. Everything is because of global warming!

Yeah because I clearly endorse every possible thing said in support of global warming, ever.

 

[MobBoss]

Yeah because I clearly endorse every possible thing said in support of global warming, ever.

Is this an abandonment of the great Al Gore and his preachings (errors included)?

 

[Merkinball]

Yeah because I clearly endorse every possible thing said in support of global warming, ever.

Oh no cheezy! I wasn't criticizing you! I was criticizing the cliched douchebags that think anything negative that happens in the world is a result of global warming.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Is this an abandonment of the great Al Gore and his preachings (errors included)?

I don't believe I've ever spoken a word of support, or even a positive note, about that man or his work, whether anything he has said is right or not, another position I have never taken.

What I have said is that we are probably affecting our planet's climatic balance, and if we aren't, then we have the capability to, and should start doing something now before it does start to affect it. Either way, pollution has localized effects that demand attention and action, even if there is no global effect, even on climate.

That said, its quite possible that our climate is changing, but not because of anything we've done, and if the data supports that, then it doesn't matter if we caused it or not, we have to start doing something about its effects and consequences.

Oh no cheezy! I wasn't criticizing you! I was criticizing the cliched douchebags that think anything negative that happens in the world is a result of global warming.

Oh, you mean the media. Yeah, I don't like them either. And Katie Couric stopped being pretty ten years ago. Walter Cronkite's decaying mustache is more attractive than her.

 

[Arwon]

Global average temperatures rising can have a variety of local effects even as globally they trend upwards. That's not that difficult to grasp if you're not being a deliberatly obtuse ass. Seriously, guys.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I don't believe I've ever spoken a word of support, or even a positive note, about that man or his work, whether anything he has said is right or not, another position I have never taken.

What I have said is that we are probably affecting our planet's climatic balance, and if we aren't, then we have the capability to, and should start doing something now before it does start to affect it. Either way, pollution has localized effects that demand attention and action, even if there is no global effect, even on climate.

That said, its quite possible that our climate is changing, but not because of anything we've done, and if the data supports that, then it doesn't matter if we caused it or not, we have to start doing something about its effects and consequences.

I couldn't agree more. While I'm certainly no manbearpig fan, I think trying to pretend that freak snowstorms must mean that AGW doesn't exist, as so many at Fox News apparently believe, is ironically on the same level as believing in your horoscope.

Speaking of which, there is a new warning in my local paper next to the daily horoscope:

These predictions are intended for entertainment purposes only.

I guess that's for all the Ronald and Nancy Reagans out there...

 

[Merkinball]

Global average temperatures rising can have a variety of local effects even as globally they trend upwards. That's not that difficult to grasp if you're not being a deliberatly obtuse ass. Seriously, guys.

What's amazing is that these effects all happen to be negative. All of them. It's amazing that the temperature of the earth in 1865 was THE ideal temperature that the earth has ever existed at.

 

[Kennigit]

Global average temperatures rising can have a variety of local effects even as globally they trend upwards. That's not that difficult to grasp if you're not being a deliberatly obtuse ass. Seriously, guys.

Wait, there is more to the world than the U.S????

 

[Seashore]

What would disprove AGW? I mean we have had climategate and now a lot of snow and you all say AGW exist if not this disproves AGW what does?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

What's amazing is that these effects all happen to be negative. All of them. It's amazing that the temperature of the earth in 1865 was THE ideal temperature that the earth has ever existed at.

The purpose of using that metric (and probably for picking that time period) is that it was around that time that heavy industrial pollution was becoming a big problem. So, assuming that said pollution is what is affecting the climate, it makes sense to use the beginning of that period, before the climate-changing materials were introduced, as a reference to how much that pollution has affected it.

The obvious problem with this metric, of course, is that it denies that anything except human action has been or is the cause of climate change.

 

[Merkinball]

The purpose of using that metric (and probably for picking that time period) is that it was around that time that heavy industrial pollution was becoming a big problem. So, assuming that said pollution is what is affecting the climate, it makes sense to use the beginning of that period, before the climate-changing materials were introduced, as a reference to how much that pollution has affected it.

The obvious problem with this metric, of course, is that it denies that anything except human action has been or is the cause of climate change.

Yes, that it is a problem. The problem is the variations of temperature that have existed throughout mankind's time.

I understand constructing the metric like that, that's how I'd do it generally speaking. What I don't understand is how we can look at our world and definitively say that if it get's colder, life as we know it would change drastically worse. If we had conditions of the Little Ice Age now the consequences would be absolutely devastating. And there's tangible evidence to prove that. When we warmed out of the Little Ice age up until 1860, things got better. Growing seasons were longer, we were able to grow more food, populations expanded, it was good for the economy. But by golly, if we warm any more past that magic point all hell will break loose!!!!

I just can't believe that people can be so stupid as to think that if the temperature goes a single degree across the globe that enormous lists of terrible things will happen when a little bit of warmth during the Little Ice Age did the trick. We're at the absolute perfect temperature. It's scummy science.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

The issue isn't perfection of temperature, its stability. When things get colder, there isn't a risk of coastal flooding; when things get warmer, there is. Simply looking at a map of the world with sea levels even 1 meter higher should show how dangerous that happening would be. And, of course, fluctuations in temperature around the globe alter weather patterns, patterns which have determined where, how, and why humans and the environments that support them exist. Obviously, the less change to that, the better.

 

[civ_king]

IIRC we had an uncommonly warm summer this year in the US

 

[Earthling]

Oh, you mean the media. Yeah, I don't like them either. And Katie Couric stopped being pretty ten years ago. Walter Cronkite's decaying mustache is more attractive than her.

Katie Couric is a few orders of magnitude more attractive than Sarah Palin though. Just for general reference.

What's amazing is that these effects all happen to be negative. All of them. It's amazing that the temperature of the earth in 1865 was THE ideal temperature that the earth has ever existed at.

You fundamentally don't understand. Especially ironic around here since it's a civilization forum, and the concept is quite familiar in various instances in the game. But this is one of the hugest fallacies people ignorant of science/statistics make in criticizing global warming science (or climate change science, if you must). It's not that previous temperatures/climate conditions were ideal for the world. It's that human societies were adapted and built around the previous norms. If we had magic powers to "cheat" and simply go into WorldBuilder and move all the cities in the world and everything, then we could simply put them in more fertile/pleasant spots as the climate changes. The problem is, we can't do that. It's not that sea levels are just inherently better where they are now - it's that human cities are already built where they are, and rising sea levels would cause devastation to many. Same with other climate metrics - the problem isn't that one area becomes more deserty and another gets more rain - again, if we could wipe the map clean and simply build stuff wherever we wanted, maybe things would balance out - it's that millions of people may live in areas that are going to suffer with no easy way to move them or redistribute resources.

edit: I'm not a furry, sorry I should have specified I don't specifically agree with your mustache fetish.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Great. So we agree then. Sarah Palin < Katie Couric < Walter Cronkite's decaying mustache

 

[Merkinball]

The issue isn't perfection of temperature, its stability. When things get colder, there isn't a risk of coastal flooding; when things get warmer, there is. Simply looking at a map of the world with sea levels even 1 meter higher should show how dangerous that happening would be. And, of course, fluctuations in temperature around the globe alter weather patterns, patterns which have determined where, how, and why humans and the environments that support them exist. Obviously, the less change to that, the better.

If things get colder then people starve to death and disease proliferates. If oceans rise we build levies and can support greater populations. More warmth means longer growing seasons, more rainfall, etc, etc. It's not like this is going to happen over night. We have decades to react to whatever consequences will happen.

If we were responsible for global cooling the same people would be saying the same things because there's no linearity or consistency to the claims that they make.

If the climate was naturally unstable, or is naturally unstable, does it then give us a ticket to purposefully use man-made methods to control it?

 

[FriendlyFire]

STILL no snow in Vancouver for Winter Olympics... as 'Snowmageddon' brings chaos to U.S. East Coast

Organisers of the Winter Olympics in Vancouver were today stubbornly refusing to consider a last-minute venue change after an unseasonably warm weather front put the competition under threat.

With just four days until the Games' opening ceremonies, the Canadian city still has not seen any snow.

Ironically, parts of neighbouring America have been buried under a two-foot blanket of snow after the worst blizzard in 90 years.

Forecasters say this is due to a band of low pressure keeping the snow front largely south of the border.

Despite the unseasonably high temperatures threatening Cypress Mountain, where the freestyle ski events are due to take place, Olympic chiefs are refusing to consider a last-minute change of venue.

'When I got off the aeroplane it was like, "What's this green grass doing here? This is the Winter Olympics,"' United States speedskater Trevor Marsicano said yesterday.

'For me it's nice, because I'm used to, like, zero degrees. This is awesome.'

Trouble is, with opening ceremonies only five days away, the above-freezing temperatures in Vancouver continue to raise concerns for other sports, particularly snowboarding and freestyle skiing, two events being held on the mountain overlooking the city.

The biggest test comes today, when freestyle moguls training sessions are scheduled to begin.

n the U.S., a ferocious storm was sweeping across the mid-Atlantic coast with mountainous areas of Maryland and West Virginia set to be covered in three feet of snow.

At least two people were killed and more than 200,000 homes were without power due to &#8216;thigh-high&#8217; drifts.

The weather has crippled all transport services with all flights in the Washington-Baltimore area's airports and at Philadelphia International Airport cancelled.

BA cancelled one flight from London to Washington and another to Baltimore. Its flights from Philadelphia and Washington to Heathrow were stuck in the U.S. on Friday night.

But President Barack Obama managed to venture out of the White House to label the whiteout 'Snowmageddon' at a Democratic Party meeting.

At least two people were killed and more than 200,000 homes were without power due to &#8216;thigh-high&#8217; drifts.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ington-DC-braces-worst-blizzard-90-years.html

lol .