Free speech and sedition?

@TF- But they're specifically giving money to other states, yet not to Florida, which is forcing Florida and its taxpayers to subsidize other states. Simply immoral.
Why is it any more immoral for money that comes from Florida to be spent outside of Florida than for money that comes from Miami to be spent outside of Miami, or even money that comes from such-and-such street to be spent outside of such-and-such street?
 
Yeah, I'd say define bodily harm. If you're trying to punch me, no I shouldn't be allowed to kill you if I can at all help it (If it were an elderly grandma getting beaten on by a young rascal, it MIGHT be more justifiable to use your firearm...) but if you're trying to stab me with a knife, you better believe you're getting capped in the head, regardless of whether you were aiming for my leg.

Depending on the specific law, it isn't well-defined. So a punch in the shoulder leads to somebody drawing a gun? Might be legit under these laws.

:lol: yeah these sorts of kinks would have to get worked out.

The kinks aren't liable to be worked out (quickly) by the judicial system. Being that Florida's law, as do others, have sections about preventing undue criminal prosecution or civil action, cases that would involve testing the bounds of stand-your-ground are less likely to go up through the legal system.

Why is it any more immoral for money that comes from Florida to be spent outside of Florida than for money that comes from Miami to be spent outside of Miami, or even money that comes from such-and-such street to be spent outside of such-and-such street?

Because the small 's' state is sacred or some garbage like that.

Funny, isn't it, that the federal government only became tyrannical once the Republicans took over.

:huh:

I think I get what you are going for, but that might be a typo (coming from you).
 
Where these laws depart from the common law norms is that "you fear" rather than "a reasonable person would be in fear". If you say you were in fear it is very difficult to prove you were not in fear since the reality of the situation has almost no bearing. Proving that a reasonable person would not be in fear is simply a matter of presenting the facts to the jury and letting them decide.
 
Floriduh doesn't pay taxes. The citizens do. If they feel that Floriduh isn't enough of a Federal welfare queen, they can choose to move to another state that is. Plus this amendment would apply to all states. They can have stand your ground or the handouts, but not both.
 
:huh:

I think I get what you are going for, but that might be a typo (coming from you).



Well, with Reagan, at any rate :p Not the Lincoln Republicans. Only with the conservative dominance of the Federal government does much of government tyranny in the US come largely from the feds instead of the states. Tyranny in government in the US is historically state and local.
 
Lugar's ouster at least gives one hope.

The destruction of the center continues. The Republic is dead. Long live the Republic.
 
Where these laws depart from the common law norms is that "you fear" rather than "a reasonable person would be in fear". If you say you were in fear it is very difficult to prove you were not in fear since the reality of the situation has almost no bearing. Proving that a reasonable person would not be in fear is simply a matter of presenting the facts to the jury and letting them decide.

Precisely.

Well, with Reagan, at any rate :p Not the Lincoln Republicans. Only with the conservative dominance of the Federal government does much of government tyranny in the US come largely from the feds instead of the states. Tyranny in government in the US is historically state and local.

I thought you were going for some kind of rhetorical trick where "it's only tyranny if a Democrat is in office" or something like that.
 
Conclusion of an 8-1 Supreme Court decision:

When we consider, for a moment, that all South Dakota would lose if she adheres to her chosen course as to a suitable minimum drinking age is 5% of the funds otherwise obtainable under specified highway grant programs, the argument as to coercion is shown to be more rhetoric than fact. As we said a half century ago in Steward Machine Co. v. Davis:

"[E]very rebate from a tax when conditioned upon conduct is in some measure a temptation. But to hold that motive or temptation is equivalent to coercion is to plunge the law in endless difficulties. The outcome of such a doctrine is the acceptance of a philosophical determinism by which choice becomes impossible. Till now, the law has been guided by a robust common sense which assumes the freedom of the will as a working hypothesis in the solution of its problems."

301 U.S. at 301 U. S. 589-590.

Here Congress has offered relatively mild encouragement to the States to enact higher minimum drinking ages than they would otherwise choose. But the enactment of such laws remains the prerogative of the States not merely in theory, but in fact. Even if Congress might lack the power to impose a national minimum drinking age directly, we conclude that encouragement to state action found in § 158 is a valid use of the spending power. Accordingly, the judgment of the Court of Appeals is

Affirmed.
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/case.html

Would-be seditionists are often ill-informed.
 
Floriduh doesn't pay taxes. The citizens do. If they feel that Floriduh isn't enough of a Federal welfare queen, they can choose to move to another state that is. Plus this amendment would apply to all states. They can have stand your ground or the handouts, but not both.

You're not getting it (Or you do and are being deliberately obtuse, but I'll assume the best about you.) Consider if five people each contribute 20 dollars to a great project that, if it works, should get each person THIRTY dollars, for a ten dollar profit.

Each of the five people pay their dues.

The project works, but one of the five people does something nobody else likes. So they say he will not be able to get a share of the completed project. He walks away. The other four split the 150 dollar profit.

Fair, or unfair?

Unfair, because it wasn't just that the four people decided to not be merciful to the fifth person, who wasn't doing anything. EVERYBODY put in 20 bucks.

See my point?


Precisely.



I thought you were going for some kind of rhetorical trick where "it's only tyranny if a Democrat is in office" or something like that.

Its sad when it really looks like a rhetorical trick but its not...
 
You're not getting it (Or you do and are being deliberately obtuse, but I'll assume the best about you.) Consider if five people each contribute 20 dollars to a great project that, if it works, should get each person THIRTY dollars, for a ten dollar profit.

Each of the five people pay their dues.

The project works, but one of the five people does something nobody else likes. So they say he will not be able to get a share of the completed project. He walks away. The other four split the 150 dollar profit.

Fair, or unfair?
Considering Floriduh didn't put in any money, your analogy fails.
 
Written by the guy Reagan promoted to Chief Justice and agreed to by Scalia.

Yeah, just because I admire Reagan and he appointed a FREAKING SCOTUS JUDGE I'm automatically bound to agree with his ruling.

OK, that's bizarre, and it puts Democrats in an EXTREMELY odd situation when it comes to Obama...
 
Yeah, just because I admire Reagan and he appointed a FREAKING SCOTUS JUDGE I'm automatically bound to agree with his ruling.

OK, that's bizarre, and it puts Democrats in an EXTREMELY odd situation when it comes to Obama...
Did you see where the decision was 8-1? The dissent was on narrow grounds, not on the concept in general. It is pretty much an accepted legislative power across the board. You may want to look up the Spending Clause in the Constitution.
 
Why is it any more immoral for money that comes from Florida to be spent outside of Florida than for money that comes from Miami to be spent outside of Miami, or even money that comes from such-and-such street to be spent outside of such-and-such street?
Anybody fancy getting back to me on this one?
 
Due no doubt to the firestorm of opposition I unleased on the issue, the cowardly Democrats have abandoned this amendment.

There, you see, is how democracy is supposed to work. They lose. We win.
 
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