Free speech and sedition?

[JollyRoger]

Yes, without accepting your mischaracterization, it is a horrific infringement upon the liberty of the people.

How? Floriduh can keep its Stand Your Ground law if it wants. Even if it decides to abandon that law to stay fully on the Federal dole, it can keep its standard self defense law. There is no liberty interest for a state to stay fully on the Federal dole.

 

[kramerfan86]

Yes, without accepting your mischaracterization, it is a horrific infringement upon the liberty of the people.

How? All the law does is take away money from the state government. It does not actually change the law or alter the rights of Florida citizens in any way.

 

[Core Imposter]

Having seduced the people into dependence upon money made up out of thin air, now the Federals prey upon that addiction by coercing the states into sheephood. The United Sheephood of America.

 

[kramerfan86]

Because disagreeing with mistercooper's clearly reasonable stance of launching an attack on the capital over a disagreement over a law is CLEARLY sheep behavior. No free thinker could possibly disagree with mistercooper

 

[JollyRoger]

States can stand thier ground and accept the freedumb of paying for things themselves rather than taking the Federal handouts with the accompanying conditions.

I mean, aren't you for conditions on welfare recipients Mr. Cooper?

 

[GhostWriter16]

So let me get this straight... You think treason is justified because the government wants to pass a law against hunting down and murdering innocent people?

Hyperbole Alert!

Considering you, Cutlass, is strangely motivating me to vote for Romney after all.

Please, for the love of all things conservative, don't do it!

No, the logic is usually "it's been done before, so it's not an unprecedented unconstitutional power grab".

"Stand your ground" does not require you to consider retreating from a confrontation in a public space before killing someone. The castle doctrine applies to your house only.



Lolwut? Trying to overturn shoot first, ask questions later laws via tax money counts as a terrible infringement on our liberties? Really?

@The Second Paragraph- Then I'm in favor of stand your ground, at least in theory. You should never be required to retreat because someone is trying to threaten your life. In your own home or not.

That said, I still disagree with treason, unless Florida actually wants to pull a 10th and secede

 

[Cutlass]

Having seduced the people into dependence upon money made up out of thin air, now the Federals prey upon that addiction by coercing the states into sheephood. The United Sheephood of America.

Florida is run by Christian Conservative Republicans, after all.

 

[JollyRoger]

As for seduction, does not a big part of the fault lie with those who are seduced?

 

[Traitorfish]

Someone should be man enough to beat their ass just for daring to offer this amendment. The time for talk has passed.

Forty million Americans in poverty: "You win some, you lose some. "

Slight restructuring of state-fed.gov relationship: "Apporter la guillotine! "


Gotta love conservatives, eh?

 

[GhostWriter16]

As for Florida not getting Federal money, Florida is paying taxes, so it should be able to benefit from said taxes same as everyone else, stupid or not so stupid laws aside.

 

[Traitorfish]

As for Florida not getting Federal money, Florida is paying taxes, so it should be able to benefit from said taxes same as everyone else, stupid or not so stupid laws aside.

Floridians pay federal taxes. Florida does not.

 

[Leoreth]

It's a stupid law, so I welcome the motion.

Especially because it forces conservatives to choose between their stupid laws and help from the federal system they claim to despise so much

 

[JollyRoger]

As for Florida not getting Federal money, Florida is paying taxes, so it should be able to benefit from said taxes same as everyone else, stupid or not so stupid laws aside.

Florida doesn't pay Federal taxes.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Floridians pay federal taxes. Florida does not.

Well, yeah, and who benefits from money given to Florida? Oh, that's right, citizens of Florida.

 

[Antilogic]

@The Second Paragraph- Then I'm in favor of stand your ground, at least in theory. You should never be required to retreat because someone is trying to threaten your life. In your own home or not.

That said, I still disagree with treason, unless Florida actually wants to pull a 10th and secede

You do not have to fear your life is threatened, just bodily harm. And if there is no retreat available, you are still justified in defending yourself--it's not a requirement to retreat.

More generally, why should the castle-doctrine, which specifically applied to your private property, be applied now to anywhere in the country? Can I stand-my-ground against your castle-doctrine? Can I stand-my-ground against your stand-your-ground?

We've been over your poorly supported arguments for secession before, I won't derail MC's thread over it.

Forty million Americans in poverty: "You win some, you lose some. "

Slight restructuring of state-fed.gov relationship: "Apporter la guillotine! "


Gotta love conservatives, eh?

Thank you!

 

[Core Imposter]

As for seduction, does not a big part of the fault lie with those who are seduced?

You'd have to ask Adam and Eve, or one of their decendants.

Personally, I'd say the issue is not one of fault but conseqence.

 

[Leoreth]

You'd have to ask Adam and Eve, or one of their decendants.

So ... anyone?

 

[Traitorfish]

Well, yeah, and who benefits from money given to Florida? Oh, that's right, citizens of Florida.

Citizens of Florida are also citizens of the United States, and so receive the benefits of federal spending.

 

[Core Imposter]

Good luck to anyone trying to escape the tyranny of the Federal government.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-...s-told-go-away-as-tax-evasion-rule-looms.html

Born down in a dead man town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up

 

[GhostWriter16]

You do not have to fear your life is threatened, just bodily harm. And if there is no retreat available, you are still justified in defending yourself--it's not a requirement to retreat.

Yeah, I'd say define bodily harm. If you're trying to punch me, no I shouldn't be allowed to kill you if I can at all help it (If it were an elderly grandma getting beaten on by a young rascal, it MIGHT be more justifiable to use your firearm...) but if you're trying to stab me with a knife, you better believe you're getting capped in the head, regardless of whether you were aiming for my leg.

More generally, why should the castle-doctrine, which specifically applied to your private property, be applied now to anywhere in the country? Can I stand-my-ground against your castle-doctrine? Can I stand-my-ground against your stand-your-ground?

yeah these sorts of kinks would have to get worked out.

@TF- But they're specifically giving money to other states, yet not to Florida, which is forcing Florida and its taxpayers to subsidize other states. Simply immoral.