Future Update - Speculation Thread
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But this time, we also have to deal with the annoyed head roll.
Both Nubia and Khmer are found in the EXP1 files which probably means they were going to wait to release them in the expansion. But with the uproar over the digital deluxe DLC, they gave them to us earlier. Although it means we might of had 10 civs maybe in each expansion.
Trolls have feelings too!
blackcatatonic
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Well, I see no reason to get my hopes up.
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Considering the Summer Game Fest is making announcements tomorrow and 2K is involved, there could be an indication tomorrow if Firaxis and Civ are going to get something during SGF.
But I cannot estimate how likely that is. Consider my hopes mildly up.
But I cannot estimate how likely that is. Consider my hopes mildly up.
RohirrimElf
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Well. Nothing today in any case. Another filler on twitter.
The Barbarossa quote was entertaining enough.
What can we expect tomorrow in terms of room to announce/show new content for upcoming games? For 2k and other developers.
The Barbarossa quote was entertaining enough.
What can we expect tomorrow in terms of room to announce/show new content for upcoming games? For 2k and other developers.
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We will have a better picture tomorrow, I think, about how SGF works. So far they've said Apex Legends is announcing a season tomorrow, XBox is showing off their next gen console on Thursday, and EA is doing a show on June 11th.
Inawordyes
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Of course, and also Australia. What I mean, though, is that the civs I mentioned (Portugal/Maya/Iroquois/Babylon/Ethiopia) are like the “big names” of the missing vets. Sure, you could fill a third expac with returning civs from the likes of Morocco/Austria/Hittites/Sioux/Assyria, but with each expansion so far, we’ve gotten “big names”, aka long-standing and notable absences, for the returning civs (Korea/Mongolia/Zulu/Netherlands, and Sweden/Ottomans/Inca/Mali) to attract people to buy the expac to get them. And there’s also evidence, as mentioned above, that Indonesia and Khmer (two notable vet absences, alongside Nubia) were originally slated to be in the first expac as well before being moved to be bonus Season Pass 1 DLC because of fan backlash. Persia and the Aztec are the only returning civs otherwise to be DLC so far this cycle.
So all of that to say, if we are getting a second Season Pass of DLC and we start getting returning civs like Portugal/Maya/Babylon (heavy-hitter civs from a fan perspective for a variety of reasons) as DLC, it possibly dampens the case for a third expansion, because it’s very easy to see a case where those 3 + Ethiopia are our 4 returning civs for the expac because they fit the “big names” mold of the last two expacs. However, inversely, if we get through this SP2 and get only 1 (or none), there’s no way we’re not going to get either a third SP or a third expac, because they haven’t missed a civ game since their initial inclusion, and there’s no reason for Civ6 to be the one that breaks the trend.
I would argue that the Byzantines are a bigger name and have more of a "veteran" status than the Iroquois. Not saying the Iroquois wouldn't be missed, but compared to the others the Iroquois could easily be overlooked for another new Native American tribe.
Inawordyes
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Agreed. Was at work, also a lot of veteran civs to remember off the top of my head haha, so apologies for that! Switch Iroquois for Byzantium and the overall point remains the same (and even better so) - vet civs like Portugal and the Maya are big draws, much like Korea and Mongolia, Ottomans and the Inca, etc. They’re the ones that everybody is like “why aren’t they in the game yet?”, and they’re in that category of being used as headliners on the vet side for expacs, meaning they’re the civs they’d hold off for an expac in order to get people to buy it. So, if they’re relegated to a season pass of DLC rather than being the vet headliners of a third expac, it casts doubt on whether we’ll see one at all. However, if we go through the season pass and they’re nowhere to be found, something’s obviously up, and whatever DLC is coming in these mysterious depots is very likely not the end of Civ6 content.
(I’m going in circles, I know, so I’ll stop! I just find it really neat, and who we get - or don’t get - now could potentially be very telling as to what we’ll get - or not get - later.)
With Civ VI, they gave us the Holy Roman Empire version of Germany, albeit with the German cities east of the Oder-Niese line excluded, such as Stettin, Breslau, Danzig, Thorn, Bromberg, Konigsberg, etc.
Therefore, it seems unlikely that Austria would be included in a future expansion or DLC, since Austria was part of the Holy Roman Empire. I suppose you could argue that the Netherlands were once part of the Holy Roman Empire and they were included in Civ VI, but Austria was generally the leader of the Holy Roman Empire, so it would be a bit odd to have them as a separate civilization, while also having the Holy Roman Empire.
One possibility though, is to add Prussia or the Teutonic Order as a 2nd German civ, since part of Prussia was administered separately from the Holy Roman Empire. Another option, would be to add the Kingdom of Bohemia to the game, since that would create a rivalry with the Hungarians. The Bohemian crown invited Germans to come live in the Czech lands, in exchange for helping to fight the Hungarians, which resulted in the Czech lands being roughly 1/3 German by the time of WW1.
In regards to new Civs / leaders, I would love to see Charles Lindbergh, Martin Luther and Charles Martel added to the game as alternate leaders for America, Germany and France. I would then add Finland as a brand new civ, with Sibelius or Mannerheim as the leader.
Therefore, it seems unlikely that Austria would be included in a future expansion or DLC, since Austria was part of the Holy Roman Empire. I suppose you could argue that the Netherlands were once part of the Holy Roman Empire and they were included in Civ VI, but Austria was generally the leader of the Holy Roman Empire, so it would be a bit odd to have them as a separate civilization, while also having the Holy Roman Empire.
One possibility though, is to add Prussia or the Teutonic Order as a 2nd German civ, since part of Prussia was administered separately from the Holy Roman Empire. Another option, would be to add the Kingdom of Bohemia to the game, since that would create a rivalry with the Hungarians. The Bohemian crown invited Germans to come live in the Czech lands, in exchange for helping to fight the Hungarians, which resulted in the Czech lands being roughly 1/3 German by the time of WW1.
In regards to new Civs / leaders, I would love to see Charles Lindbergh, Martin Luther and Charles Martel added to the game as alternate leaders for America, Germany and France. I would then add Finland as a brand new civ, with Sibelius or Mannerheim as the leader.
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To be fair, we also have the Netherlands, which were also under HRE rule. Plus, by that logic we shouldn't have gotten Scotland because we got the British Empire version of England. And we shouldn't get Portugal because Philip II ruled a unified Hispania.
That said, I don't think we need Austria in the game now that we have Hungary, which is way more interesting culturally and mechanically, and arguably formed a lot of the core of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. I don't see Bohemia being very likely either, given that as a smaller kingdom often torn between German, Polish, Prussian, Austrian, Hungarian rule, it very comfortably fits a city-state role like many smaller empires and kingdoms. I think a stronger case could be made for Prussia, except the fact that the devs seem to be avoiding similar leader names and we already have a Frederick. But a purely Baltic civ would be a cool new twist if they could make it work.
My last big European holdout is Bulgaria, and even that I think isn't a guarantee, because as regionally large and influential as it was, it was smaller than the still-bigger Byzantium (although it arguably had just as long of a history and spanned nearly as far if you account for Magna Bulgaria). Everywhere else feels pretty comfortably represented by large regional powers for now (with Portugal and something-something-Italy being likely inclusions at some point).
nzcamel
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Wash your mouth out with soap and water!
The Romans of the new world are a far more important addition than stage two of the Romans of the old world!
Give us a Byzantium alternate leader for Rome instead...
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It seems to me that Firaxis made a deliberate decision NOT to have Portugal, Austria, etc, and that they are not likely to revisit that. So the absence of those nations is not any reason to suppose that a new update is round the corner to reinstate them. Also, introducing a new leader means commissioning another animation and more voice, so it is more work than it might have been had they just used static images.
RohirrimElf
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It is deliberate. Having the maya’s or portugal in the mix of new dlc/expansion civs. Will make them sell well. If say firaxis offers a dlc with 2 leaders. And one of them is Montezuma, Caesar or Napoleon (just my preference). I dont bother much which civ is the 2nd one. Even if it is Nubia. To own one of my staple civ leaders.
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I hope they give reasons to build neighbourhoods, growing cities and maybe reduce the focus on harvesting and spamming out campus villages. The buff to costal cities was nice but the game need buffs to developing big cities and rewarding tile improvements, neighbourhoods and urbanization.
Connor_CivFan
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Do we know when SGF releases the schedule?
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The twitter feed for SGF has been revealing a few things so far. They haven't said anything about 2K yet.
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