General Politics Three: But what is left/right?
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Snowygerry
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We will neither shut up or pay up, sod off 
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US Senate passes $95bn package of aid for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan
The US Senate has approved a long-awaited $95bn (£75.2bn) aid package for Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan after months of political wrangling.While Democrats were in favour of passing the bill, Republicans were divided and previously voted it down.
The package includes $60bn for Kyiv, $14bn for Israel's war against Hamas and $10bn for humanitarian aid in conflict zones, including in Gaza.
Lawmakers voted 70 to 29 to approve the package.
The bill will now go to the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, where its fate remains uncertain.
The measure passed the Senate despite criticism from Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson and former President Donald Trump.
In the end, 22 Republicans voted for the legislation, including Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.
"History settles every account," Mr McConnell said in a statement following the vote. "And today, on the value of American leadership and strength, history will record that the Senate did not blink."
Ukraine's president also said he was "grateful" to senators for passing it.
The vote came after an all-night Senate session during which several Republicans made speeches criticising the measure.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68284380
Snowygerry
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Actually, NATO HQ makes us a target, without it we would likely not be, best move it to Poland.Belgium isn't at risk of war with Russia anyway - though it might need help to keep Wallonia under its boot
But the Channel ports would likely be targeted anyway,
we calculate they will blow up Antwerp and Brussels, then Gent can reclaim its rightful position as the greatest of Belgian cities,
with a lot of parking
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But Belgium is the usual tank route to France.Belgium isn't at risk of war with Russia anyway - though it might need help to keep Wallonia under its boot
Snowygerry
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Or Germany. No one ever invades Belgium, for Belgium, we're sort of in the way to everywhere
Farm Boy
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No, it's rather a bigger welshing out than that. A decade, eh?
Every now and then the orange buttwad says something that isn't totally wrong.
Lexicus
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Making protectorates pay for the privilege of protection is a time-honored technique of crime lords
Snowygerry
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Rather more significant is the string of verbs there, I can “aim to move towards” the moon, doesn’t mean I will ever get there.
Lexicus
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Perhaps ironically, it would seem that the point of Trump's statements on this subject is to try to induce as many member states as possible to exercise their freedom to leave. If there is ambiguity about what the US might do in the event of a Russian attack on a member state, there is not much point to the whole thing.
There already is ambiguity. I'd say the US would intervene in the case of some countries, if it came to that.
Then again, the list of EU countries that Russia might wish to invade is very small. The pattern of russian invasion includes intervening to protect/"protect" a minority (not needing to be russian; eg look at Georgia).
Lastly, the russian army is heavily geared towards land warfare (mobile artillery-centered), which makes non-bordering-country invasions even less likely => they won't march through the continent for that.
All the above assumes we are not in a commenced ww3 scenario.
Then again, the list of EU countries that Russia might wish to invade is very small. The pattern of russian invasion includes intervening to protect/"protect" a minority (not needing to be russian; eg look at Georgia).
Lastly, the russian army is heavily geared towards land warfare (mobile artillery-centered), which makes non-bordering-country invasions even less likely => they won't march through the continent for that.
All the above assumes we are not in a commenced ww3 scenario.
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If/then statements are complex.
Especially when asked to pay?
It is funny to see assclown demand it, seeing as how he doesn't pay for anything. But, not everything is assclown.
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Poor Belgium! If it's any consolation to you, if I ever invaded Belgium it would be for the chocolate.Or Germany. No one ever invades Belgium, for Belgium, we're sort of in the way to everywhere
Incidentally, Belgium happens to be one of only three European countries I've ever been to, though I was too young to have any memories.
Snowygerry
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Yes, even international travellers pass by sooner or later, you’re welcome 
Snowygerry
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No one is leaving, NATO is a valuable alliance, it’s just that the US gives it a bad name
Lexicus
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No one is leaving, NATO is a valuable alliance, it’s just that the US gives it a bad name
Why is it valuable?
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