[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[El_Machinae]

It might be important to set reasonable expectations for mental health reason.

 

[Lexicus]

I really could not care less what the law says, given that it's the law that's failed.

It's not "the law" that has failed, it's the police that have failed.

Rah asked if we thought the cop intended to kill. So no. I don't have to care about that.

Right, fair enough, but you should care about the statutes when it comes to what the guy needs to actually be charged with.

 

[H4run]

Right, fair enough, but you should care about the statutes when it comes to what the guy needs to actually be charged with.

I cannot pin point what, but there are inherently something really wrong on choking someone neck with your knee and body weight for 9 min and calling that un-intentional murder, especially if such act was done by the one who got training and "licensed" to do it.

The argument might be correct might be wrong from the law point of view, I'm not sure. But if for the sake of practicality this is the only way that can drag the culprit to jail and bring reform to the system, maybe it should be accepted, like this is "better than nothing".

 

[Zardnaar]

Watching CNN at father in laws place. Big difference between reading about it and seeing it on TV.

 

[cardgame]

I'd be happy to accept a lesser charge of third degree murder if the cop doesn't get the bare minimum punishment. Of course, I'm not really the aggrieved party. Third can still carry up to 25 years in MN, apparently - so if he spends at least 10 behind bars before any parole of any kind, that's not exactly a slap on the wrist. No real complaints about charging for third degree as long as the sentencing fits the crime. If he gets out in 4 years for good behavior or some crap...

I think cops should be held to a higher standard since we give them so much authority. If it were a civilian holding down on Floyd's neck other civilians could have intervened. They specifically couldn't because the murderer was a cop. I think cops should get the maximum sentence almost all of the time.

 

[Arwon]

Some jurisdictions here have reckless murder, whereby the act was intentional and the perpetrator knew that the action was likely to cause serious injury or death.

I'm not a lawyer but the line between "reckless murder" and "manslaughter by dangerous or unlawful act" appears to be about whether serious injury/death was likely or merely possible.

I would expect a prosecutor to go hard on what the cops are trained to do with regards to necessary and proportional force, and the expectation that they know what is a safe and unsafe way to restrain someone.

(Of course, that doesn't mean the law works here. We have had 400 First Nations deaths in custody since the Royal Commission into it in the 1990s, not one has resulted in a criminal conviction, and there have absolutely been riots in response to deaths)

 

[Berzerker]

You're still treating it as a problem of individual officers being at fault, not of attitudes endemic within the police. How many officers stood by and watched whilst Floyd was killed? I've seen nothing to suggest any of them were at all disturbed by what was happening.

The cop who killed Floyd was probably the senior man, subordinates are reluctant to 'mutiny'. I imagine they thought the guy knew what he was doing, but I'd be surprised if a superior officer was on site watching him do that to Floyd.

 

[Berzerker]

burning down a police building seems perfectly fine as a protest.

Maybe the neighborhood will appreciate the symbolism while they're rebuilding it

just asking, who here thinks he intended to kill the man?
I think it was to inflict injury but not to kill. (but I wasn't there)

Still think drastic punishment is required.

I agree, I think the cop is a sadist who went too far with his fun

I haven't actually claimed that violence is inevitable in an unqualified way. I do believe that if we don't succeed in voting the Republicans out, such that the Democrats have effective single-party rule at the federal level and in at least a good number of states, there will be violence. And I think it's most likely to be horrific violence perpetrated by the state.

Do Republicans run Minneapolis?

 

[cardgame]

No, Republicans have nothing to do with this particular incident. They do, however, oppose police reform at all levels? and just generally speaking do not give a single solitary god damn about police brutality. many democrats (not all) do.

 

[Berzerker]

No, Republicans have nothing to do with this particular incident. They do, however, oppose police reform at all levels? and just generally speaking do not give a single solitary god damn about police brutality. many democrats (not all) do.

oh I dont know, Biden coauthored a war on drugs which is in large measure responsible for police brutality & killings and Trump pushed thru a big roll back in that war with the 1st step act.

 

[cardgame]

Do you think that's something that normally happens under Republicans, or is Trump an exception somehow? There's no denying he's racist so don't give me that he meant well for black people under the criminal justice system.

 

[Berzerker]

Trump's an exception, he's not glued to orthodoxy. But the 1st step act had widespread support from both parties, it just took someone a little outside the box to get it done.

 

[caketastydelish]

I agree with people being upset (and even rioting) but targeting random businesses that have nothing to do with the incident doesn't seem productive or fair. If you're angry at something, go to the source. In this case, police stations.

edit: blast from the past, this happens to white people too.

edit 2: another classic example. Fat load of good his "white privilege" did this unarmed man either.

for those that don't want to watch the videos, both times the officers got away with murder, no repercussions whatsoever.

 

[Lexicus]

I cannot pin point what, but there are inherently something really wrong on choking someone neck with your knee and body weight for 9 min and calling that un-intentional murder, especially if such act was done by the one who got training and "licensed" to do it.

The argument might be correct might be wrong from the law point of view, I'm not sure. But if for the sake of practicality this is the only way that can drag the culprit to jail and bring reform to the system, maybe it should be accepted, like this is "better than nothing".

Yes, as I have noted, hitting the cops with criminal charges in only the beginning of a solution here.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Alot of these people aren't angry, they're desperate which is even more dangerous for the establishment.

@amadeus can dismiss these people as bums but a combination of COVID and a lack of income when most Americans live paycheck to paycheck is literally creating the situation we see right now,

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Charging him and convicting him are two different things. By the time he sees a courtroom the furor will have died down. There likely will not be any evidence since the cops wouldn't have recognized that any crime had taken place so none would be collected. Case dismissed.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

https://twitter.com/foxwoundband/status/1266613385862447104

"Atlanta has deployed a child militia at Lenox Mall fitted with riot shields and batons. What the actual **** is going on?"

 

[H4run]

https://twitter.com/foxwoundband/status/1266613385862447104

"Atlanta has deployed a child militia at Lenox Mall fitted with riot shields and batons. What the actual **** is going on?"

Wth did I just see?!

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Under the excellent leadership of Donald Trump it is distinctly possible that the rioting could go on through the whole summer. I don't really see him as being capable of calming things down.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Under the excellent leadership of Donald Trump it is distinctly possible that the rioting could go on through the whole summer. I don't really see him as being capable of calming things down.

Allah willing