[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[AmazonQueen]

Damning indictment of US and the Democrats by Cornel West.

https://www.indy100.com/article/tru...-west-cnn-anderson-cooper-watch-video-9540136

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump wants to send in the US military to calm things down. I'm not sure what new tools they would bring to the situation. Tear gas and rubber bullets and a curfew haven't worked. I guess the US military could up the ante with real bullets and white phosphorous. That will teach them.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I think it’s really becoming clear that right wing militias are up to some nasty **** here.

aside from the Police I mean.

 

[JohannaK]

When people warn about leaving safety in the hands of vigilantes and racists, does it mean they support the dissolution of the police force?

 

[Synobun]

Trump wants to send in the US military to calm things down. I'm not sure what new tools they would bring to the situation. Tear gas and rubber bullets and a curfew haven't worked. I guess the US military could up the ante with real bullets and white phosphorous. That will teach them.

He outright tweeted that he'd tell the Guard to use lethal force. When Twitter disabled the tweet, he made the White House account post it again. (They disabled that tweet too.)

He's now bloviating about "MAGA Night" at the White House and waxed poetic about the young-gun Secret Service officers who were only barely restrained from mowing down protesters at the White House fence.

Not the greatest soul, I have to admit.

 

[El_Machinae]

Their decision to take the 5th and not cooperate with the investigation suggests to me that they knew he knew what he was doing and were ok with it.

No, please don't presume that. Taking the Fifth is the very first thing you should almost always do, regardless of your innocence.

Legally, taking the fifth creates no bias. Socially, it absolutely shouldn't. Waiving the Fifth means that you're both a moron and have bad legal counsel.

This is a baby and bathwater thing. The Fifth is always acceptable

 

[red_elk]

To me it looks like the problem is that the system tends to "cover" officers whenever they commit a crime, even if the crime is very serious like murder of innocent. Which makes police a tempting job for psychopats.

The only problem with independent investigation of the police is that its still going to require trained investigators who are likely to come from a law enforcement background and share the same assumptions and prejudices as those they are investigating.

It's not like all of them are prejudiced to extreme level. There should be a federal level investigation committee with the powers to punish everyone in command chain. If the heads of police station, police department chiefs will start rolling, next ones will make sure to check who are they hiring and whose crimes they are covering.

In 2009 when middle-rank officer of Moscow police shot two civilians for nothing, chief of Moscow police, chief of city district police and three lower level authorities lost their jobs. The shooter was put in jail for life.

Would have expected this level of **** from Putin's Russia.

Of course you would.

Peaceful protest never works because at the first sign that it might whatever authority is being protested against will start cracking heads.

Protests which start as peaceful tend to attract more people though. If that happened in my area, I'd be willing to join a peaceful protest, but wouldn't go and try to set police station on fire. So IMO it would likely be either a 1000 of violent protesters quickly disperced by police, or peaceful protest of 10000 which may gradually take momentum if authorities don't react properly. If it becomes a hundred thousands, a million, it will be a big question who will disperse whom. See Ukraine example.

 

[Commodore]

Trump wants to send in the US military to calm things down. I'm not sure what new tools they would bring to the situation. Tear gas and rubber bullets and a curfew haven't worked. I guess the US military could up the ante with real bullets and white phosphorous. That will teach them.

They would add intimidation factor. The hope being the presence of soldiers instead of cops would scare the protestors into dispersing.

Not saying I'm advocating for such action, because I'm not. Just trying to explain the government's thinking when they consider using the National Guard for riot control.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I'm late to this party, but this wasn't "excessive use of force" by police. This was murder, and the accomplices should be handled as such.

Protesting this outcome is reasonable. I don't have any respect for people "protesting" by attacking unrelated business, trashing unrelated people's stuff, or using someone's murder as a pretense for looting though. The person getting shot while trying to loot a shop got what one might reasonably expect while doing that.

 

[Ajidica]

I don't have any respect for people "protesting" by attacking unrelated business, trashing unrelated people's stuff, or using someone's murder as a pretense for looting though.

Interestingly, it seems at least in St Paul everyone arrested last night was not from Minnesota.

According to Saint Paul Mayor Melvin Carter, every person arrested in Saint Paul last night was from out of state: “We don’t know these folks,” he reiterated.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergei...as-from-out-of-state-mayor-says/#7ddb9966264d

Apparently governor is putting it at 80% of all those arrested as out of state.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

When people warn about leaving safety in the hands of vigilantes and racists, does it mean they support the dissolution of the police force?

It does need an extreme overhaul, somehow. Between civil asset forfeiture and an obvious penchant for obeying/protecting each other over our constitution or even legal consistency, there are some gross problems with law enforcement at a systemic level.

Interestingly, it seems at least in St Paul everyone arrested last night was not from Minnesota.

That says some things about the protestors, law enforcement, or both by itself.

 

[Hrothbern]

According to (google translated Dutch) article below:

George Floyd and that cop who killed him worked for the same nightclub.
That cop 17 years as side job as security outdoors. George Floyd two evenings-nights a week or so as indoor bouncer.
George Floyd the popular guy, that cop not really fitting in.

Makes it more sick.

They must have met each other long before one died with the other's knee on his neck.
George Floyd, the 46-year-old black African American who died during his arrest, suspected of paying with counterfeit money, regularly worked as a bouncer at Minneapolis nightclub El Nuevo Rodeo last year.
Derek Chauvin, the 44-year-old officer with the Minneapolis Police Department, spent the past 17 years working outside the same nightclub as a security guard, outside the door.

They were two very different people, Maya Santamaria, who owned the nightclub until a few months ago, told several TV stations. According to her, Floyd was "a great guy" who did his job with a big smile and was loved by the customers. He was mainly hired on Tuesday and Sunday, when the club held its "urban nights" that mainly attracted African-American customers.
She was less enthusiastic about Chauvin. Usually he was calm and did his job well. But during those "urban nights" he was different. “Then he was tense, and that was true for all the agents who did that job. If there were African American customers, they would work differently. They quickly got nervous, for every little thing that happened the pepper spray was taken out and they asked for police reinforcements. A completely different atmosphere than on the 'latin nights'. ”

Relatively many complaints
Chauvin has been an agent in Minneapolis since 2001. During that time, 17 complaints were filed against him. That's relatively a lot, former Ronal Serpas, a former police chief in the cities of New Orleans and Nashville, told the Washington Post. But it is not clear exactly what those complaints were about. According to the Minneapolis police, he was only truly reprimanded twice, and that was not known to involve the use of force against civilians. He was involved in this several times. In 2005, he took part in a car chase in which the fleeing motorist killed three people. In 2006, he was one of a group of agents who performed after a man stabbed people. He would then have pointed a gun at the officers, after which he was shot. In 2008, following a report of domestic violence, Chauvin entered the bathroom where a man had holed himself and shot him closely through the abdomen, allegedly because the man, Ira Latrell Toles, had attempted to take his gun away. Toles survived, and still thinks Chauvin had his life in mind at the time. "If reprimanded before that, George Floyd would still be alive," he told the Daily Beast website.

Great dad
Those who have told about Floyd in recent days are without exception full of praise - although those stories also have unexplained gaps. He grew up in Houston and was good at sports, American football and basketball. His level in the latter sport earned him a place at a university in Florida, where he studied from 1993 to 1995.
Many of his family members, including his ex-girlfriend, daughter, and granddaughter, still live in Houston. The ex-girlfriend, Rose Hudson, called him a great father to news channel CNN. But he had not yet met his 3-year-old granddaughter.
It didn't come from a sports career and Floyd moved to Minneapolis to "start over" and build "a better life." He had a relationship with Courtenay Ross. "Minneapolis is not pretty now, but for him it was a city where people were friendly and open to him," she told TV station WCCO.

"Floyd is a guy radiatong love"
In 2017, Floyd worked as a security guard at homeless shelters at the Salvation Army, then at the Conga Latin Bistro. The owner, Jovanni Thunstrom, befriended him. "All my colleagues and all my customers loved him," he told CNN.
All his life, faith was very important to Floyd. An acquaintance from his time in Houston said on Twitter that he once helped transport a frame pool to a basketball court so that people could be baptized. "Floyd wouldn't hate anyone now," Courtenay Ross thinks. "He would pray, he would radiate love, he would like everyone to be OK."

But everyone is not OK in Minneapolis, and Derek Chauvin certainly not. He has been charged with "third degree murder", the lightest form, or manslaughter. He could theoretically be sentenced to 25 years in prison for it.

And that could have turned out so differently, thinks the former employer of both, Maya Santamaria. "I thought to myself, what if he could have said, hey, man, we worked together in Maya's tent, remember?"

https://www.trouw.nl/buitenland/bij...zwarte-uitsmijter-en-de-witte-agent~b88b4fea/

and yeah... I guess not evidence for a conscious intent.
Though a subconscious motive could very well be there. But no way to prove that.

 

[EgonSpengler]

EDIT: Whoops. Somebody already posted this. Well, there's the link to the video, anyway.


So a Louisville police officer in riot gear just walked right up to a television news reporter and cameraperson and shot them repeatedly with one of those paintball guns that fire balls filled with pepper spray.

It wasn't accidental. The reporter - Kaitlin Rust of WAVE3 - was live on the air, and the camera is pointed directly at the officer, who kept walking towards them and shooting. The reporter is wearing one of those bright yellow, high visibility vests and holding a giant microphone. Presumably the cameraperson has a vest on too, and has a big camera with a light on their shoulder. There's a video clip on the page.

WAVE 3 News - LMPD officer fires pepper balls at WAVE 3 news reporter during Louisville protest - May 29, 2020

 

[Lexicus]

Given the United States is apparently governed by a regime with no respect for law or human rights I would like to take this historic opportunity to recognize Juan Guaido as President of the United States

 

[H4run]

I guess not evidence for a conscious intent.

In opposite, I think this added motive into the equation.

 

[Hrothbern]

In opposite, I think this added motive into the equation.

I guess that as well
And from that vid of the killing... I posted I saw a dominance abuse which fits well with this info

But in terms of hard evidence... not enough

But who knows what more info turns up if this trail is investigated

 

[adcarrymaokai]

Given the United States is apparently governed by a regime with no respect for law or human rights I would like to take this historic opportunity to recognize Juan Guaido as President of the United States

Mister Xi, sir. I am a 8 year old boy living in the yankee-occupied territory governed by the illegitimate regime. Help! Our shelves are empty, and there is not enough toilet paper for everyone. People are unemployed and hungry. We have white supremacist terrorist groups killing people. Our government is using military on civilians. Mister Xi, I am asking you to liberate my state of Aalabama with your Chengdu J-20 stealth bombers and your Dongfeng 41 missiles. Mister Xi, please. I live in a failed state and have no future, send help.

 

[El_Machinae]

Interestingly, it seems at least in St Paul everyone arrested last night was not from Minnesota.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/sergei...as-from-out-of-state-mayor-says/#7ddb9966264d

Apparently governor is putting it at 80% of all those arrested as out of state.

We have seen devoted and violent civil unrest during other tense times in history.
I don't know what the endgame is here.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

We have seen devoted and violent civil unrest during other tense times in history.
I don't know what the endgame is here.

I'm sure you can guess.

 

[Estebonrober]

There should be a paper trail if white supremacist groups are instigating riots and the ensuing crackdowns. They typically put their organization strategies across the web.