[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[Estebonrober]

‘My Admin has done more for the Black Community than any President since Abraham Lincoln. Passed Opportunity Zones with @SenatorTimScott, guaranteed funding for HBCU's, School Choice, passed Criminal Justice Refom, lowest Black unemployment, poverty, and crime rates in history...
...AND THE BEST IS YET TO COME’

Donald Trump on Twitter.

This guy, he is so . . . I mean you have to admire him in a way, it's just batshit level stupid and tone deaf to like 70% of the nation. All of those things were in spite of him, except for the things that actually hurt poor people in general like "school choice" and "opportunity zones" (which have largely, surprise surprise, been manipulated by large white dominated corporations for tax breaks), criminal justice reform was federal and didn't actually effect most of the imprisoned in the US, the last three were all in spite of his leadership oh ff I can't believe I bothered typing this all out. I just ate a bunch of crappy oreos and cant step away atm. I'm blaming it on that.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

‘My Admin has done more for the Black Community than any President since Abraham Lincoln. Passed Opportunity Zones with @SenatorTimScott, guaranteed funding for HBCU's, School Choice, passed Criminal Justice Refom, lowest Black unemployment, poverty, and crime rates in history...
...AND THE BEST IS YET TO COME’

Donald Trump on Twitter.

So...

Much...

Winning!

 

[Joij21]

But in the 1950s that was a single-shot musket.

You mean the 1750's? In the 1950's you could own a fully automatic military grade machine gun since it was before the Firearm Owners Protection Act passed in 1986. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act

Urm, first it was ‘states' rights’, i.e. that the federal government could not force member states to illegalise slavery.

It was never meant to be used for states rights. The only reason it gets conflated with that is because the Declaration of Independence (not the Constitution) goes on about how when necessary it is the right of the people to abolish and overthrow a tyrannical government. Instead it was used to create a well regulated militia for defense against foreign threats and Native Americans, since at the time the official army was very small and required the president to activate state militias into volunteer regiments during times of war to bolster the numbers of the regular army. It even says so in the actual amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The reason the people had to be armed was because the federal government couldn't pay money to have standard issue weapons be given to the militias because they were centralized under the authority of the states. Now because many states couldn't make enough tax revenue for standard equipment, the people had to bring their own weapons and equipment if they wanted to join the militia.

Now the Southern States did in fact make the legal argument that guns were to allow them to succeed from the government if say slavery were to be abolished. However the Northern States did not. And the legal argument for that has been moot ever since the Union won the civil war as well as the legal argument for succession and slavery.

 

[innonimatu]

It's interesting how in part police brutality in the US is also blowback from the US's foreign policy, specifically its propping up of states whose "security forces" beat and murder their own population routinely.

When the U.S. Department of Justice published a report Aug. 10 that documented “widespread constitutional violations, discriminatory enforcement, and culture of retaliation” within the Baltimore Police Department (BPD), there was rightly a general reaction of outrage.
But what hasn’t received as much attention is where Baltimore police received training on crowd control, use of force and surveillance: Israel’s national police, military and intelligence services.
Baltimore law enforcement officials, along with hundreds of others from Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Georgia, Washington state as well as the DC Capitol police have all traveled to Israel for training. Thousands of others have received training from Israeli officials here in the U.S.
Many of these trips are taxpayer funded while others are privately funded. Since 2002, the Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee’s Project Interchange and the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs have paid for police chiefs, assistant chiefs and captains to train in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT).

 

[Berzerker]

Wonderful, I thought the article was gonna be about the School of the Americas where we train the security forces of the dictators we prop up after murdering foreign leaders.

 

[red_elk]

Nashville. National Guard joins protesters.

Paris.

London. Rot Front gestures?!

 

[H4run]

he'll send in the US Army to do ti for them.

Looking from many internal conflict that happened here, using the army can pretty much cause internal conflict which the army can be divided among themselves.

Trump runs a country like he runs an office, he just wipe off nuisance by calling securities to shoo them off, or rough them up (with tough people), while dealing with masses is different, it would bring the problem to next level, in addition to that his own apparatus that he used to confront the people can turn over and bite back to him instead, when that happened things will be chaotic.

 

[Syno]

@Lexicus do you plan on marching? i see that the crowd in d.c. is even bigger now after trump's sideshow/threats

 

[Lexicus]

@Lexicus do you plan on marching? i see that the crowd in d.c. is even bigger now after trump's sideshow/threats

I am donating money to the bail funds, but I don't plan to march because I don't want to get the coronavirus.

 

[Takhisis]

You mean the 1750's?

1850s, already fixed but thanks.

It was never meant to be used for states rights. The only reason it gets conflated with that is because the Declaration of Independence (not the Constitution) goes on about how when necessary it is the right of the people to abolish and overthrow a tyrannical government. Instead it was used to create a well regulated militia for defense against foreign threats and Native Americans, since at the time the official army was very small and required the president to activate state militias into volunteer regiments during times of war to bolster the numbers of the regular army. It even says so in the actual amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. The reason the people had to be armed was because the federal government couldn't pay money to have standard issue weapons be given to the militias because they were centralized under the authority of the states. Now because many states couldn't make enough tax revenue for standard equipment, the people had to bring their own weapons and equipment if they wanted to join the militia.

Now the Southern States did in fact make the legal argument that guns were to allow them to succeed from the government if say slavery were to be abolished. However the Northern States did not. And the legal argument for that has been moot ever since the Union won the civil war as well as the legal argument for succession and slavery.

It wasn't meant to be used against the government, of course, perhaps in the late 18th century when the Bill of Rights was proposed. (George Washington himself did put down an insurrection or two).

But it's certainly been one of the many rallying cries that have been conflated into one mythology later. The Southern States did make that argument and lost the war, as you say, but since then the Daughters of the Confederacy and other such groups have kept mixing it up into one big word salad:
I need to have guns because I'm Murican
I need to oppose guvmint 'cos I'm Murican
Hey, using guns is opposing guvmint
let's take on the feds! Roll on General Lee!

 

[Berzerker]

The protests also have centered on the death of Breonna Taylor, a black woman killed in her Louisville home in March as narcotics detectives serving a search warrant knocked down her door. No drugs were found.

another casualty of war

 

[Estebonrober]

Looking from many internal conflict that happened here, using the army can pretty much cause internal conflict which the army can be divided among themselves.

Trump runs a country like he runs an office, he just wipe off nuisance by calling securities to shoo them off, or rough them up (with tough people), while dealing with masses is different, it would bring the problem to next level, in addition to that his own apparatus that he used to confront the people can turn over and bite back to him instead, when that happened things will be chaotic.

I'm really hoping is does not get to that point.

 

[Estebonrober]

another casualty of war

Yea that case was inexcusable too and actually before the match that lit this fire.

 

[Birdjaguar]

I wasn't alive in the 60s and 70s, and I know some of you were. I have seen footage from the greatest hits like Chicago '68 and the civil rights firehoses, but I'm still wondering how the last week compares in the recollections of those of you who were active during those years. Anyone?

I remember both the civil rights riots and the anti war protests. They were different. The civil rights movement was longer lived and was mostly a thing in the south. It was seen then as a southern problem and led to the civil rights legislation, school desegregation (busing) and voting rights. It was a decades long series of events. The events were riveting and the force for change resulted in a major shift in the America political picture. The targets of Civil rights police attacks were local blacks and Freedom riders from the north who sided with them.

The anti war protests were different. Those were lead by students and began on campuses. I participated in some of the anti war protests including the Nixon anti inaugural in 1968 in DC. In general, the violence at the anti war protests was less than the violence used against the civil rights protesters. The Vietnam war was the first war on TV and it was, every night. So were the protests. Middle class kids were being beat up by cops on TV because they didn't want their friends or themselves to die in a senseless war. Pro and anti war sides hardened and the public demanded a change. The Dems were thrown out of office. The "normal" post WW2 world was upended by the cultural changes that happened from the mid 50s to the late 60s. The conservatives had had enough change.

The civil rights changes in the south were a bigger change for southerners than anti war talk of 1968. I think that the death of 4 students at Kent State was a harder hit to the general public than the many more black deaths during the civil rights movement. Some of that might be tied to better media coverage though.

 

[Estebonrober]

I am donating money to the bail funds, but I don't plan to march because I don't want to get the coronavirus.

If he rolls the army I think it might be on all of us able to march against them. plague or not

 

[Hygro]

If liberals and progressives owned guns and stocked the ranks of the police, they’d have been compromising with us this whole time, instead of vice versa.

 

[Estebonrober]

This event is really showing off those news bubbles. Like half the conservatives I know have not seen almost any police violence against peaceful protesters and half the liberals I know bare acknowledge the horrible violence rioters are committing. Its reinforcing narratives that is driving the conflict. It would be nice to have a leader that could talk to everyone. . .o well.

 

[Lexicus]

If he rolls the army I think it might be on all of us able to march against them. plague or not

If liberals and progressives owned guns and stocked the ranks of the police, they’d have been compromising with us this whole time, instead of vice versa.

I can't comment on 'owned guns' (although, a better model for left-wingers might be guns "owned by" a militia organization rather than by individuals) but as for 'stocked the ranks of the police' I think it would be very difficult to change the system from within.

also yep:

 

[Farm Boy]

This event is really showing off those news bubbles. Like half the conservatives I know have not seen almost any police violence against peaceful protesters and half the liberals I know bare acknowledge the horrible violence rioters are committing. Its reinforcing narratives that is driving the conflict. It would be nice to have a leader that could talk to everyone. . .o well.

Yeah.

 

[Lexicus]

Letter from President to the members of the Police Officers' Federation Minneapolis...