[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

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Police shooting tear gas at a random dude in his car (with his pregnant wife). Dude gets out to yell at them, police rain more down on them. Not sure where the video is from, but it's undeniably real.

What are you trying to demonstrate here?

Man has pregnant wife in a car, man has stopped his car, the cops have mysteriously shot at just his car whilst other cars come and go free of duress, he abuses police, is told several times to move along, tells them he's not going anywhere, then asks them to shoot it again, then acts totally shocked when they shoot it again?
 
I have great respect for companies and celebrities that DO NOT comment this issue. It seems "twitter activists" are bullying celebrities and companies to make statements about this. We have real big problems in the world and I find it very sad that we are spending time to these kinds of marginal issues. So your company doesnt make comments about China or Saudi-Arabia, but this is the issue you choose to talk about? Interesting...

The whole issue just shows how America-centered not only America is but the whole world. World is silent on real issues. People who area actually oppressed are voiceless. Its a sad world we are living...
 
as in having lists of people to kill , it is like widely known in the big city that my name was found on a list captured from the Congregation for not being any threat of a sort but knowing people online , people Congregation knew to be a threat of all sorts before they retired . lt is on the strength of that ı am saying that Trump has been told and believes his chances in November and beyond are not that cool , after passing April 1st thing . Nobody will be reforming American Police if Trump wins , that's for sure .
 
Nothing about what's going on is "marginal", @Inhalaattori. Also, people are capable of caring about more than one thing at a time. It's not the argument you think it is.

What are you trying to demonstrate here?

Man has pregnant wife in a car, man has stopped his car, the cops have mysteriously shot at just his car whilst other cars come and go free of duress, he abuses police, is told several times to move along, tells them he's not going anywhere, then asks them to shoot it again, then acts totally shocked when they shoot it again?
You could've stopped at "the cops have shot at his car". That's what the video shows. The way you're trying to phrase this indicates you don't believe the video evidence. Why's that? Do you have a video a different angle, or a longer timeframe? Do you have anything concrete that isn't just your opinion that could shine a better light on what happened?

Do you believe that opening fire on a car that the police know has a pregnant woman in (the video makes this very obvious by audio) is acceptable or somehow justified behaviour?
 
I hope all of you marveling at the brutality of government forces such as the police will remember this thread the next time there's a mass shooting and your first reaction is to say that those government forces are the only ones who need effective firearms.
 
I hope all of you marveling at the brutality of government forces such as the police will remember this thread the next time there's a mass shooting and your first reaction is to say that those government forces are the only ones who need effective firearms.

Because as we all know, the police definitely don't treat non-white people armed with guns differently from their white counterparts, no siree, nothing disengenuous here.

Anyway...

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I have great respect for companies and celebrities that DO NOT comment this issue. It seems "twitter activists" are bullying celebrities and companies to make statements about this. We have real big problems in the world and I find it very sad that we are spending time to these kinds of marginal issues. So your company doesnt make comments about China or Saudi-Arabia, but this is the issue you choose to talk about? Interesting...

The whole issue just shows how America-centered not only America is but the whole world. World is silent on real issues. People who area actually oppressed are voiceless. Its a sad world we are living...

Considering a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman held a press conference and actually said racial discrimination of minorities is a chronic sickness in the US and wasn't even called out on how China treats said groups in it's own region gives you a good idea.
 
I have great respect for companies and celebrities that DO NOT comment this issue. It seems "twitter activists" are bullying celebrities and companies to make statements about this. We have real big problems in the world and I find it very sad that we are spending time to these kinds of marginal issues. So your company doesnt make comments about China or Saudi-Arabia, but this is the issue you choose to talk about? Interesting...

The whole issue just shows how America-centered not only America is but the whole world. World is silent on real issues. People who area actually oppressed are voiceless. Its a sad world we are living...

That's a very wrong logical pattern, of course it's better if the corporation able to spread awareness on every issue indiscriminately, but to talk at least about an issue is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more better than choosing not to talk at all, while here you give your respect to the silent corporation while they have the ability and capacity to stand for the truth, but just being the dumb devil. And please refrain from trivializing this issue, Floyd is the tip of the tip of the iceberg of racial abuse and harassment in US, you wanna contest that? Then how can the issue is marginal?
 
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Nothing about what's going on is "marginal", @Inhalaattori. Also, people are capable of caring about more than one thing at a time. It's not the argument you think it is.


You could've stopped at "the cops have shot at his car". That's what the video shows. The way you're trying to phrase this indicates you don't believe the video evidence. Why's that? Do you have a video a different angle, or a longer timeframe? Do you have anything concrete that isn't just your opinion that could shine a better light on what happened?

Do you believe that opening fire on a car that the police know has a pregnant woman in (the video makes this very obvious by audio) is acceptable or somehow justified behaviour?

I get it, you're trying to portray the police force as unscrupulous, you just picked a bad example.

I think we both agree something has happened before the video starts recording, what warranted his car being shot at in the first place we probably will never know, we are both left with the puzzles to put together, why are other cars freely driving past at the behest of the police, why did the man not listen to the directives of the police, if he cared so much for his pregnant girlfriend why did he not just move on in the first place, what did he wish to achieve by doing what he did being full aware of what is going on in his city and the country right now?
 
I have great respect for companies and celebrities that DO NOT comment this issue. It seems "twitter activists" are bullying celebrities and companies to make statements about this. We have real big problems in the world and I find it very sad that we are spending time to these kinds of marginal issues. So your company doesnt make comments about China or Saudi-Arabia, but this is the issue you choose to talk about? Interesting...

The whole issue just shows how America-centered not only America is but the whole world. World is silent on real issues. People who area actually oppressed are voiceless. Its a sad world we are living...

I have little respect for companies and celebrities that do not comment [on] this issue. Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice; remaining silent on issues of oppression is siding with the oppressor.
 
a picture ı can see and yeah , many would argue all 14 for a certain country not the USA .
 
That's a very wrong logical pattern, of course it's better if the corporation able to spread awareness on every issue indiscriminately, but to talk at least about an issue is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more better than choosing not to talk at all, while here you give your respect the silence of the corporation while they have the ability and capacity to stand for the truth, but just being the dumb devil. And please refrain from trivializing this issue, Floyd is the tip of the tip of the iceberg of racial abuse and harassment in US, you wanna contest that? Then how can the issue is marginal?

I guess you can pretend to care about human rights when supporting movement like this. But when your company is silent about bigger human rights violations that tells you something. These companies feel its better economically to support this movement than not. Its like advertising for them. So you support human rights if it doesnt threaten your economic interests... I dont like the hypocrisy.
 
I guess you can pretend to care about human rights when supporting movement like this. But when your company is silent about bigger human rights violations that tells you something. These companies feel its better economically to support this movement than not. Its like advertising for them. So you support human rights if it doesnt threaten your economic interests... I dont like the hypocrisy.

Lets say for the sake of the argument, that supporting humanist cause and to raise your voice against racism brings profit and good advertising to the company, that means there is a huge hope that humanity can rely on on the market, business is unusually good.

I don't know why being a methodological purist that you are and chose stay silence because you doubt every good act for its intention makes you think that your silent is better than other action and activism.
 
I hope all of you marveling at the brutality of government forces such as the police will remember this thread the next time there's a mass shooting and your first reaction is to say that those government forces are the only ones who need effective firearms.
I don't see how more guns would result in less people getting shot. A mass shooting is a very different kind of tragedy compared to what's going on here - I can't help but feel this is an astoundingly bad faith comparison.

I get it, you're trying to portray the police force as unscrupulous, you just picked a bad example.

I think we both agree something has happened before the video starts recording, what warranted his car being shot at in the first place we probably will never know, we are both left with the puzzles to put together, why are other cars freely driving past at the behest of the police, why did the man not listen to the directives of the police, if he cared so much for his pregnant girlfriend why did he not just move on in the first place, what did he wish to achieve by doing what he did being full aware of what is going on in his city and the country right now?
I don't think I picked a bad example at all. I think you believe something happened before the start of the recording that apparently warranted the man's car being shot at, but as it stands all you have is that belief, and no evidence. Evidence is all we have to go on.

By all means stick to your hypotheticals. But that's all they are, regardless of how you're trying to question a man's behaviour while getting shot at by police. Maybe try questioning the police's behaviour as much as the man whose car was shot? Otherwise you don't come across as being very balanced in your appraisal of a situation you have no information about beyond the linked video.
 
Because as we all know, the police definitely don't treat non-white people armed with guns differently from their white counterparts, no siree, nothing disengenuous here.

Anyway...

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This list is totally bollocks, sorry. Fascism is inherently aestheticist, it's simply false to say that fascism has a general disdain for intellectualism and the arts. Fascists tend to really dislike subversive art and really like traditionalist art, especially if it is even vaguely close to what they're preaching, see Nazis appropriating Wagner and Nietzsche, but it is even more obvious in Italy (which remains to this day the textbook example of fascism, Nazism is meaningfully distinct from it). Just look at futurism and its course. Fascists constantly peddle in intellectualism and mysticism. The intellectual founding fathers are almost all mysticists: Rene Guenon, Julius Evola, Coomaraswamy, Schuon.. It is very interesting to note that almost all the traditionalist, conservatist and later fascist thinkers were this way. Mysticism is also inherently aesthetic.

Some fascists drew from peoples as diverse as Bergson, Dostoyevski, Darwin, etc. It's not necessarily an intellectually poor movement or one devoid of theory. It's not necessarily an artistically poor movement either, just look at a brilliant author like Yukio Mishima who was probably Japan's most celebrated author (and model) for a long time irrespective of being a fascist past WW2. He was also, not unlike Evola & friends, pretty insane. Or Celine, who was equally insane and equally brilliant as an author.

A lot of the list simply reflects authoritarianism, which isn't even necessarily fascist. More than half of those points apply to, say, corporate libertarianism the same way they apply to any authoritarian system. Just ask yourself how many of these points apply to China as well, and if China is meaningfully fascist.

Also, I have no idea why religion and fascism are conflated on that chart. In fact so few fascist movements are religiously motivated (they only use it as a tool, if at all) that we specifically coined phrases like Islamofascism to make it clear that fascism is not inherently religious. Though some of its core ideas may stem from organized Religion:

Georges Valois, founder of the first non-Italian fascist party Faisceau,[75] claimed the roots of fascism stemmed from the late 18th century Jacobin movement, seeing in its totalitarian nature a foreshadowing of the fascist state. Historian George Mosse similarly analyzed fascism as an inheritor of the mass ideology and civil religion of the French Revolution, as well as a result of the brutalization of societies in 1914–1918.[76]

Historians such as Irene Collins and Howard C Payne see Napoleon III, who ran a 'police state' and suppressed the media, as a forerunner of fascism.[77] According to David Thomson,[78] the Italian Risorgimento of 1871 led to the 'nemesis of fascism'. William L Shirer[79] sees a continuity from the views of Fichte and Hegel, through Bismarck, to Hitler; Robert Gerwarth speaks of a 'direct line' from Bismarck to Hitler.[80] Julian Dierkes sees fascism as a 'particularly violent form of imperialism'.[81]

The fascism proper view on religion was mostly this however: Mussolini wrote a short essay called "Philosophy of Strength" based on his Nietzschean influence, in which Mussolini openly spoke fondly of the ramifications of an impending war in Europe in challenging both religion and nihilism: "[A] new kind of free spirit will come, strengthened by the war, ... a spirit equipped with a kind of sublime perversity, ... a new free spirit will triumph over God and over Nothing".[106]
 
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I don't think I picked a bad example at all. I think you believe something happened before the start of the recording that apparently warranted the man's car being shot at, but as it stands all you have is that belief, and no evidence. Evidence is all we have to go on.

By all means stick to your hypotheticals. But that's all they are, regardless of how you're trying to question a man's behaviour while getting shot at by police. Maybe try questioning the police's behaviour as much as the man whose car was shot? Otherwise you don't come across as being very balanced in your appraisal of a situation you have no information about beyond the linked video.

Some of the videos you have posted here have put into question how police handle certain situations and need to be investigated, that I agree on.

If people are out protesting during non curfew hours (note I said protesting, not rioting or looting) and are approached by police in an unwarranted aggressive manner (a verbal directive to move along by the police that is not unwarranted or aggressive should be standard procedure by the police) and physically handled by the police then questions need to be asked are the police being unlawful and identification of these police officers is paramount.
 
Considering a Chinese foreign ministry spokesman held a press conference and actually said racial discrimination of minorities is a chronic sickness in the US and wasn't even called out on how China treats said groups in it's own region gives you a good idea.

Whenever (at least during Trump administration) US officials, US ministers, criticise foreign countries on human rights.... the simple answer for officials of that country can be: "I cannot breathe"
 
This list is totally bollocks, sorry. Fascism is inherently aestheticist, it's simply false to say that fascism has a general disdain for intellectualism and the arts. Fascists tend to really dislike subversive art and really like traditionalist art, especially if it is even vaguely close to what they're preaching, see Nazis appropriating Wagner and Nietzsche, but it is even more obvious in Italy (which remains to this day the textbook example of fascism, Nazism is meaningfully distinct from it). Just look at futurism and its course. Fascists constantly peddle in intellectualism and mysticism. The intellectual founding fathers are almost all mysticists: Rene Guenon, Julius Evola, Coomaraswamy, Schuon.. It is very interesting to note that almost all the traditionalist, conservatist and later fascist thinkers were this way. Mysticism is also inherently aesthetic.

Some fascists drew from peoples as diverse as Bergson, Dostoyevski, Darwin, etc. It's not necessarily an intellectually poor movement or one devoid of theory. It's not necessarily an artistically poor movement either, just look at a brilliant author like Yukio Mishima who was probably Japan's most celebrated author (and model) for a long time irrespective of being a fascist past WW2. He was also, not unlike Evola & friends, pretty insane. Or Celine, who was equally insane and equally brilliant as an author.

A lot of the list simply reflects authoritarianism, which isn't even necessarily fascist. More than half of those points apply to, say, corporate libertarianism the same way they apply to any authoritarian system. Just ask yourself how many of these points apply to China as well, and if China is meaningfully fascist.

Also, I have no idea why religion and fascism are conflated on that chart. In fact so few fascist movements are religiously motivated (they only use it as a tool, if at all) that we specifically coined phrases like Islamofascism to make it clear that fascism is not inherently religious. Though some of its core ideas may stem from organized Religion:

Georges Valois, founder of the first non-Italian fascist party Faisceau,[75] claimed the roots of fascism stemmed from the late 18th century Jacobin movement, seeing in its totalitarian nature a foreshadowing of the fascist state. Historian George Mosse similarly analyzed fascism as an inheritor of the mass ideology and civil religion of the French Revolution, as well as a result of the brutalization of societies in 1914–1918.[76]

Historians such as Irene Collins and Howard C Payne see Napoleon III, who ran a 'police state' and suppressed the media, as a forerunner of fascism.[77] According to David Thomson,[78] the Italian Risorgimento of 1871 led to the 'nemesis of fascism'. William L Shirer[79] sees a continuity from the views of Fichte and Hegel, through Bismarck, to Hitler; Robert Gerwarth speaks of a 'direct line' from Bismarck to Hitler.[80] Julian Dierkes sees fascism as a 'particularly violent form of imperialism'.[81]

The fascism proper view on religion was mostly this however: Mussolini wrote a short essay called "Philosophy of Strength" based on his Nietzschean influence, in which Mussolini openly spoke fondly of the ramifications of an impending war in Europe in challenging both religion and nihilism: "[A] new kind of free spirit will come, strengthened by the war, ... a spirit equipped with a kind of sublime perversity, ... a new free spirit will triumph over God and over Nothing".[106]

LOL that's because the photo Cloud_Strife posted is of everything the Left accuses or thinks of Donald Trump of doing (some of which he probably is guilty of) its not an actual list of fascist ideology its a list of things that the Left can try and pin on Donald Trump and then pull a magic card out and say "see we told you he's a fascist", it's a blatant attempt at baloney historic revisionism to push an agenda.
 
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