[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[bernie14]

more recent data

U.S. Police Shootings: Blacks Disproportionately Affected

Since the start of 2015, 4,728 people across the country have died in police shootings and approximately half - 2,385 - were white. Out of the remainder, 1,252 were black, 877 were Hispanic and 214 were from other racial groups. The data looks different as a share of the population, however. Black Americans account for less than 13 percent of the population but they are shot and killed by the police at a rate that's over twice as high as for white Americans.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Im not American, I live in Europe. I did say Im not a big fan of Mr. Trump. He is probably better option than Joe Biden, but thats not really saying much. They are bot pretty bad. Trump seems to be in better mental condition though. I dont know if Biden is mentally fit to be president.

And yet here you are, not even living in the country you're talking about, telling us that BLM has no basis in reality? How would you even know? Why should your view be counted in the same breath as an African-American who has to actually live in the system you're trying to defend from abroad?

 

[JohannaK]

Im not American, I live in Europe. I did say Im not a big fan of Mr. Trump. He is probably better option than Joe Biden, but thats not really saying much. They are bot pretty bad. Trump seems to be in better mental condition though. I dont know if Biden is mentally fit to be president.

I would bet on Finnish.

 

[H4run]

more recent data

U.S. Police Shootings: Blacks Disproportionately Affected

Since the start of 2015, 4,728 people across the country have died in police shootings and approximately half - 2,385 - were white. Out of the remainder, 1,252 were black, 877 were Hispanic and 214 were from other racial groups. The data looks different as a share of the population, however. Black Americans account for less than 13 percent of the population but they are shot and killed by the police at a rate that's over twice as high as for white Americans.

Lets put into context that Black population is only 12% of the total American population while white people is like 75%, in that context you are likely to get killed if you are black, in addition to that the previous statistic that was posted in this thread mentioned that you are significantly get the higher probability to get killed while unarmed if you are black than white. Am I reading it correctly here?

edit: yea it's already mentioned here:

Black Americans account for less than 13 percent of the population but they are shot and killed by the police at a rate that's over twice as high as for white Americans.

 

[Naktis]

Hey why not make police to act same as in Europe? In europe there is very low death ratio from police. But we have gun control.

 

[aelf]

I would bet on Finnish.

Yeah, that's what I recall. No idea why right-wing Finns are overrepresented on OT - there's at least another one and I don't think there are any more Finns than that. Are they like Eastern Europeans where the default for them is to be some kind of 80s (or earlier) right-winger?

 

[H4run]

Yeah, that's what I recall. No idea why right-wing Finns are overrepresented on OT - there's at least another one and I don't think there are any more Finns than that. Are they like Eastern Europeans where the default for them is to be some kind of 80s (or earlier) right-winger?

But he really hurts my feeling Aelf, when he exposed us that we are "self hating white liberal" in front of everyone here. It's the most painful koanic enlightenment for me and I hope for you also. I guess we should repent and be a good example and never be that self defeating white people no more.

 

[EgonSpengler]

More bull[stew]: When demonstrators were in downtown Boston this week, the MBTA closed down stations in the area, right before Boston Police asked people to clear out and go home (which I think was at dusk), preventing people from leaving easily. This wasn't merely a fustercluck, it was blatantly political (and if someone wanted to call it racist too, I wouldn't argue). They claim that preventing protesters from getting on the "T" was for the safety of riders and personnel, but when the Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics and Bruins have had a victory parade, or when there's an event like the Boston Marathon or New Year's Eve, not only is the subway operating, they increase the number of cars running, extend their hours, and make it free. I mean, WTH. Bunch of donkeys...

Spoiler :

 

[Lexicus]

Here you go:https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%)

Wow, some mysteries solve themselves

Yeah, that's what I recall. No idea why right-wing Finns are overrepresented on OT - there's at least another one and I don't think there are any more Finns than that. Are they like Eastern Europeans where the default for them is to be some kind of 80s (or earlier) right-winger?

Could Inhalaattori be a double-login for Hehehe? Or is he a Stormfront buddy that Hehehe invited over here to pollute the forum? Or is it just that there are two different, unrelated, coincidental Finnish white supremacists on CFC?

 

[Lexicus]

Brown - asians, arabs, greeks, gypsies, italians, native americans, persians, spanish/portuguese?

It some contexts, it could include some or all of these groups, actually, yes.

 

[zxcvbob]

Remember the Ferguson, Missouri debacle a few years ago? Of course you do. At first I thought the cop, whose name I can almost remember but not quite, murdered Michael Brown. As more evidence came out, I changed my mind; it became obvious that it was a legitimate self-defense shoot. Brown was the aggressor. "Hands up, don't shoot" was a lie. [stay with me here] But what lead up to that event and enabled it? Ferguson seems to have a long history of predatory policing. The police and the the courts prey on the community because they are poor and don't have the resources to defend themselves. Some very high percent of the population that I also can't remember has warrants for unpaid packing tickets and the penalties on those fines, failure to appear, etc. Speculating here, but Brown was a petty criminal who had just robbed a store. Officer Wilson (there, I remembered it) didn't necessarily know that, but Brown didn't know that he didn't know. Wilson stops Brown for walking in the street, Brown knows he won't get a fair trial for the robbery he thinks he'll be arrested for, so he attacks Wilson and that didn't work out so well.

Here's what I'm getting at: Perhaps the police are not specifically prejudiced against blacks, maybe they are prejudiced against the poor or people without the means to fight back (because they are bullies, and there's more revenue in it for the city that way so the mayors encourage it), and blacks are over-represented among the poor. The racial injustice may be an effect, not a cause.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

It some contexts, it could include some or all of these groups, actually, yes.

Even some of the founding fathers of America considered the french, Germans and Russians to be "Swarthy"...

Here's what I'm getting at: Perhaps the police are not specifically prejudiced against blacks, maybe they are prejudiced against the poor or people without the means to fight back (because they are bullies, and there's more revenue in it for the city that way so the mayors encourage it), and blacks are over-represented among the poor. The racial injustice may be an effect, not a cause.

Black people are literally poorer as a result of historical racist attitudes and treatment, both by and from various institutions including the police so....

Yikes.

 

[Lexicus]

Here's what I'm getting at: Perhaps the police are not specifically prejudiced against blacks, maybe they are prejudiced against the poor or people without the means to fight back (because they are bullies, and there's more revenue in it for the city that way so the mayors encourage it), and blacks are over-represented among the poor. The racial injustice may be an effect, not a cause.

[Sid Meier voice]you have discovered Intersectionality!

 

[Narz]

Mike Rashid, always with a quality take

 

[Lexicus]

To clarify, it's not so much the act of brutalising civilians which is "off-script", it's the circumstances. The police began rioting of their own initiative, to protect their own power. These weren't initlaly orders trickling down from the presidency, from governors, even from mayors, they were at the initiative of senior police officers. The current turmoil benefits nobody except the police (if even them), and while Trump has attempted to turn it towards a show of power, he is doing so in reaction to events already unfolding, by endorsing what the police had already decided to quite without his instruction or authority. It's plausible that Trump personally is enough of a narcissistic creep that he only sees current events in terms of opportunities for authoritarian grandstanding, but those around him must surely be sweating at the realisation that the paramilitary gangs they have planted in every American city only very nominally answer to their authority.

I dunno, I don't find this analysis particularly persuasive. I don't think there is much chance that the powers that be in American cities are at all frightened of the way the police are behaving. It has little if anything to do with Trump but he is a convenient lightning rod for liberals who refuse to confront the problem that the police are doing exactly what they are there to do. The systems that produced this police behavior were built over decades by people in both parties (as conservatives have been so fond of pointing out lately, these cities are mostly administered by Democrats, not Republicans).

IMO it all ties back to the police being primarily there to keep real estate prices from falling due to homeless people or the threat of "disorder." It's part and parcel of the transformation of the American state over the past fifty years, its functions that have to do with maintaining the social fabric (ie, helping ordinary people) gradually stripped away, while the functions that have to do with maintaining rich people's wealth are put on steroids. The clearest expression of this is "welfare reform" contrasted with the Fed pumping trillions into the economy to prop up asset prices across the board.

 

[Hrothbern]

Here a picture of today's support protest with 1,000 people on the market square of Arnhem (NL).
As you can see the people are at 1.5 meter distance on their marks made on the ground by the organisation of the support protest.
Difficulty with these protests is that you cannot really predict how many people...and too many means ending the protest because of Covid.
Just imagine... for a protest you have to make reservations like for eating in a restaurant.

 

[Yeekim]

From American perspective Gang violence and mass shootings are bigger problems for all Americans and minorities.

Probably true.

Income equality is clearly the biggest problem in todays world and especially in USA no matter what race people are. It is totally ridiculous how richest 0,1% has so tremendous wealth and they are becoming even richer when at the same time working class / middle class is suffering. Socialist policies would actually solve many American problems.

Also true.

The real reason why these kind of organizations like BLM are so popular is that white people have self hate and on the other hand African-Americans dont like white people that much. Its so easy. /.../ BLM is basically running on White guilt.

Hell, even this may have a kernel of truth somewhere.

I dont support social justice movements that are based on half-truths or marginal issues.

And yet, this stance is just unreasonable. Police brutality in US is objectivey crazy. African-Americans may well be privileged from global perspective, but that does not mean they can't or shouldn't be rightfully mad when police just casually kills yet another one of them. Yeah, there are people who have it even worse. Yeah, income inequality or climate change may be bigger issues. Still, that does not mean that anger against police violence is unjust or unfounded.
Sure, it's "not your circus" (nor mine, really). I doubt anyone expects you to cross the ocean and join the protests. But if you care enough to write a long post, people who protest senseless police brutality (looters and arsonists notwithstanding), deserve sympathy and support, not derision. Otherwise you're just being an [certain kind of orifice connected to final stretches of digestive tract], no matter how technically correct.

 

[Inhalaattori]

It does make sense that some African-Americans protest. White Americans protesting makes little sense, but these European protesters are even bigger dummies. Its like Americans protesting Brexit or something. Like what is even the point? Just shows the power of social media and naivety and stupidity of young people. These people could use their time and energy for something useful.

 

[Syno]

It does make sense that some African-Americans protest. White Americans protesting makes little sense, but these European protesters are even bigger dummies. Its like Americans protesting Brexit or something. Like what is even the point? Just shows the power of social media and naivety and stupidity of young people. These people could use their time and energy for something useful.

Striving and advocating for someone else's lot in life to improve seems to me to be a far better use of one's time than whatever it is you're trying to do here.

 

[Hrothbern]

It does make sense that some African-Americans protest. White Americans protesting makes little sense, but these European protesters are even bigger dummies. Its like Americans protesting Brexit or something. Like what is even the point? Just shows the power of social media and naivety and stupidity of young people. These people could use their time and energy for something useful.

see my subscript:
Martin Luther King: “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."