[RD] George Floyd and protesting while black

[aelf]

oh my state capitalism. What on earth would one do with a socialist implied capitalist implied bundle of evil in a meaningless term? Clutch my purse and genitals, for sure. Ohes no!

Screw academics, folk wisdom wins everytime. Yeah!!!

Ever tried Mao or Pol Pot?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Decades ago doesn't equal today. The Republican party is currently discriminating against certain groups today? What's with your vendetta? What are your thoughts on black people and other minority groups that vote and support the Republican party? Where do they stand in all this?

Even today the Trump administration is arguing that LGBTQ parents shouldn't be able to adopt. I'm tired of this disengenuousness. I'm tired of you claiming the GOP isn't discriminatory even as they do exactly that.

I'm tired of your attempts to minimize what is essentially a bigoted party, obsessed with legislating their view of morality at the detriment of ALL Americans.

I'm tired of being told by someone that a party that continuously fights against both legal and social equality isn't bigoted.

Not even getting into the fact that the decisions implemented decades ago still have an impact to this very day, unless you're seriously going to make the tone deaf argument that what happened during the aids crisis can be forgotten about.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

Everyone ultimately adapts and conforms, to varying extents, to the system they live in, even those that pushback the most do so.

you're not my real dad. can't tell me nuttin oh no. me, conform? oh golly..

Sadly, real neoliberal* dystopias are not like in Brave New World. For one, no drugs, and everyone - at least over here - is an anal moralist. But apparently you can keep people from slitting their wrists just by ensuring they can more or less enjoy consumerism.

*The policies are neoliberal, but we have a version of state capitalism, where government-linked companies play a huge role and behave like capitalist monopolies.

BNW was a utopian book all along, you just didn't read it right Personally I'm aching for some Soma over here..

 

[cardgame]

I am aware of the concept of white privilege, I just don't agree with the premise of it.

You can disagree with gravity too, but real phenomenon is real

 

[yung.carl.jung]

I believe I have. Truth telling and rational logical discussions are not democratic, no matter how many "likes" your post gets.

yes! oh yes! indeed my good sir, you have come down from the heavens and enlightenened us with thy absolute truth. the sword of your cold logic has cut through the tangled web of lies! with your heart and your head set to penultimate rationality no faulty argument can stop thee oh no.

in this moment, my dear enlightened friend, I am ecstatic. not because of any phony god, but because of our grand intelligence. with the utmost respect, I tippeth my hat to you best of sirs.

may our fedoras resonate in time forever,

as we slay through the masses

of ignorant SJW *****

 

[rah]

I was never a fan of the term white privilege since I always thought it meant that any success I've ever had was not due to my hard work and creativity but because I was white. I found this offensive and demeaning. Jimmy Kimmel gave a better definition the other night in his monologue saying that white privilege isn't that white confers privilege but that other colors confer daily handicaps. This is a definition I can support 100% but it does make me wish there was a different term to define it. But it is what it is.

 

[aelf]

What I've found from my observations here is you have to agree completely with their premises 100% otherwise you're an outsider of their "group", they also love to misrepresent what you say. For example I acknowledged and agreed that police officers that commit acts of violence against protestors untowardly should face prosecution, but because I don't agree with their premise that "they are all evil" I must be this racist hate filled bigot, and rather than address the argument made, they try and paint you as a "cartoon villain" with snide and sarcastic remarks because its easier to brush aside what you have said rather than actually address the points being made, its sloppy and lazy debating tactics.

You can form your own group. You have Manfred and Farm Boy, who have the same grouse(s) as you. Maybe also bernie14.

What? You expect your in-group to be handed to you? Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, man.

 

[Imaus]

Hey did people see that cop on horseback gallop himself straight into a traffic light that was pretty funny

The Daily Mail is trying to spin it all on the protesters. Two thrown Boris Bikes is all it took?

"
Female police officer suffered a collapsed lung, broken collarbone and shattered ribs after being thrown from her horse "

 

[yung.carl.jung]

I was never a fan of the term white privilege since I always thought it meant that any success I've ever had was not due to my hard work and creativity but because I was white. I found this offensive and demeaning. Jimmy Kimmel gave a better definition the other night in his monologue saying that white privilege isn't that white confers privilege but that other colors confer daily handicaps. This is a definition I can support 100% but it does make me wish there was a different term to define it. But it is what it is.

I don't understand how anyone that has ever visited a foreign country can deny that there is direct, empirically verifiable white priviledge. one would have to be utterly blind or lacking of any sense of introspection not to see that (hello @Modder_Mode )

I was at an airport in southern Vietnam and had no Visa (it ran out, I was stupid and young) and no money (actually, just short on cash). I was detained by military police and could have literally been thrown into prison. You know what happened to me? They showed me to a cashpoint, I payed them 50 bucks and they were happy to let me go. They were very nice and understanding throughout the entire procedure. There were two other man, arabs, who had the same problem. They were yelled at, detained for hours, and eventually ended up mising their flight. Even though they paid. I watched it all from outside while waiting for the plain to board.

Occurances like these happen every day. They're common as hell. if you're a white man, you are enjoying priviledges every day of your life. not just abroad either. don't kid yourself. White priviledge is not the absence of a handicap. White priviledge is like being born into wealth, you're living life on easy mode, not on normal difficulty.

 

[rah]

I disagree. I've been arrested and beaten while being white. A handicap is not normal difficulty so I don't see your point. I claim that not having the handicap is the normal. Just a different perspective.

 

[cardgame]

Minneapolis mayor boo'd offstage in glorious fashion after saying he won't commit to defunding the police

https://twitter.com/BethLynch2020/status/1269426371740217350

 

[Zardnaar]

I don't understand how anyone that has ever visited a foreign country can deny that there is direct, empirically verifiable white priviledge. one would have to be utterly blind or lacking of any sense of introspection not to see that (hello @Modder_Mode )

I was at an airport in southern Vietnam and had no Visa (it ran out, I was stupid and young) and no money (actually, just short on cash). I was detained by military police and could have literally been thrown into prison. You know what happened to me? They showed me to a cashpoint, I payed them 50 bucks and they were happy to let me go. They were very nice and understanding throughout the entire procedure. There were two other man, arabs, who had the same problem. They were yelled at, detained for hours, and eventually ended up mising their flight. Even though they paid. I watched it all from outside while waiting for the plain to board.

Occurances like these happen every day. They're common as hell. if you're a white man, you are enjoying priviledges every day of your life. not just abroad either. don't kid yourself. White priviledge is not the absence of a handicap. White priviledge is like being born into wealth, you're living life on easy mode, not on normal difficulty.

That's often a percieved wealth benefit. As racist as white guilt etc tries to pin on us we're still more tolerant than most of the world.

I've noticed it online just coming from NZ and where people don't know your ethnicity.

How do I move to NZ and are you married/single are often questions. Either on forums, Reddit, discord etc.

Hell you get it IRL as well. I've had friends from other ethnic groups and they prefer marrying whites as they percieve that they will get treated better than their own culture.

You end up mingling at work and everyones invited to the end of year social.

Some Jordanian and Texas friends are wanting to have their extended families relocate.

 

[aelf]

I disagree. I've been arrested and beaten while being white. A handicap is not normal difficulty so I don't see your point. I claim that not having the handicap is the normal. Just a different perspective.

It's weird that people so often act as though their individual experiences are the norm, even when they're aware of the actual statistics and of this fallacy. Maybe it's just a mode of thinking. Could also partly be a generational thing.

 

[yung.carl.jung]

I disagree. I've been arrested and beaten while being white.

which proves absolutely nothing, so why would even mention it. yes, sometimes even white male billionares get arrested. sometimes the police does their job properly. most of the time they don't. if you don't think being treated preferential is a bonus, then I don't know. I think you're assuming that there is a "neutral" way to view/treat people and that this is normal and the treatment white people usually receive, but I don't think such a thing exists. color blindness is a (white) fantasy.

 

[rah]

Statistically speaking in the US, being white is the norm. I really don't know why you feel the need to argue the difference between a privilege and a handicap when the outcome is exactly the same, which we agree on. I was just pointing out that I dislike the insinuation that any accomplishment is automatically tainted jut because of skin color. Blacks (and other minorities) have a disadvantage because of their skin color is a more accurate explanation.
And if you were reading carefully you would not that I was making a personal observation about how felt about it. So your opinion on the matter means squat to me.
Just like my opinion can mean squat to you.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

It isn't an "opinion" that whites recieve deferential treatment in comparison to their non-white counterparts, it's a matter of demonstrable fact.

 

[rah]

And I postulate that one treatment is the norm while for minorities it's a handicap. Same result, same demonstrable fact.
The only difference is, your opinion allows you to foment hate against a group, and mine recognizes the struggle of the other.
Again, my point was that this explanation allowed me to see it in a better light and not the negative one from before.
I would think you would think that was a good thing if it helped people accept it better.

 

[Modder_Mode]

You can disagree with gravity too, but real phenomenon is real

I agree white privilege existed in the past there can be no doubt about that, its factual, I've mentioned this before on these very forums.

You can form your own group. You have Manfred and Farm Boy, who have the same grouse(s) as you. Maybe also bernie14.

What? You expect your in-group to be handed to you? Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, man.

I don't come on here enough to know what those particular members beliefs are so I can't really comment on that.

 

[Gorbles]

And I postulate that one treatment is the norm while for minorities it's a handicap. Same result, same demonstrable fact.
The only difference is, your opinion allows you to foment hate against a group, and mine recognizes the struggle of the other.
Again, my point was that this explanation allowed me to see it in a better light and not the negative one from before.
I would think you would think that was a good thing if it helped people accept it better.

It seems like you're arguing semantics, rah. It's a privilege to not experience negative experiences others experience. That difference can also be viewed as a handicap from the perspective of the oppressed. But it's the same thing regardless of how the word sits with you. I'm not arguing that your understanding the concept at all, just that it seems a bit wasteful to focus on the semantics to this extent.

small edit for wording

 

[rah]

If you go back, you'll note that I made an observation that helped me understand it in a more positive light.
It was others that started arguing the semantics. I continually claimed that the outcome was the same.
So stop being wasteful.