Perfection
The Great Head.
Umm state legislatures draw their own boundaries in most states - and there is a whole lot of state legislature level gerrymandering. I mean that's what Gill v. Whitford is all about.
[RD] Gerrymandering
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onejayhawk
Afflicted with reason
Perfection
The Great Head.
Even if? It's quite clearly true. The article you posted in the opening post of this thread talks about it.
How the heck is it not relevant?
Pretty sure you're wrong (cf above) but I'll amend: letting any legislatures draw any electorate boundaries is complete lunacy
And at least 4 Justices will be of the opinion to let it slide.
Berzerker
Deity
kinda puts all their talk of voting integrity and democracy appear disingenuous
why?
Lexicus
Deity
Because they consider their positions on the Supreme Court little more than an opportunity to advance the agenda of the Republican Party.
Lexicus
Deity
I think it would better to say that these 4 were selected because they shared similar beliefs with those that nominated them.
Every now an then there is a surprise.
The same could be said of the others.
I mean, my position is that the Supreme Court is and always will be political, but there is a difference between making decisions based on consistent adherence to ideological principles and making them with no regard to principles, based simply on whatever will help your own party.
Didn't realize what level you were quoting since they have done it at BOTH levels in Illinois and it's been going on since they took control.
They're both wrong and need to be fixed. The party in power takes advantage of the rules to perpetuate their own rule the same way. So what if one was more successful at it, it doesn't make it different.
Or are you trying to say it's OK, if they only do it a little bit. Jeeze.
They're both wrong and need to be fixed. The party in power takes advantage of the rules to perpetuate their own rule the same way. So what if one was more successful at it, it doesn't make it different.
Or are you trying to say it's OK, if they only do it a little bit. Jeeze.
BvBPL
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Gerrymandering isn’t just about cementing existing political interests. It can also be a powerful tool for helping to give minorities representations. Districts across the US have been gerrymandered to produce districts specifically likely to result in the election of minority representatives.
Given how easy it is for the white majority to drown out minority opinions and given how gerrymandering can help to ensure minorities have a say in governance, I am very cautious about condemning gerrymandering in toto.
Given how easy it is for the white majority to drown out minority opinions and given how gerrymandering can help to ensure minorities have a say in governance, I am very cautious about condemning gerrymandering in toto.
In states where they control the local houses. Quite like the dems have done in states that they control. (unless the state decides those things differently) I really don't see the big difference that you're claiming. Yes, I admit that the repugs have done it more. They've had more opportunity but that doesn't make it different.
I mean the obvious democratic solutions here are:
- "communities of interest" to be defined to include ethnic minorities (as well as things like urban area boundaries), when setting goal criteria for independent boundary drawing authorities to adhere to
- parties to adopt representation quotas in their candidate preselection
- Reform towards multi-member/proportional electoral systems
I hope you appreciate that any time you cite hacks like Bee, Colbert and Oliver you bolster the reelection prospects of Trump 20.
Hear, hear!
Indeed.
Well, the quintessential point should be about ethnic trascendence on that datum, shouldn't it.
I.e. people should vote their values and ideals no matter the ethnicity of the one representing those ideals and values.
Identity based gerrymandering obstructs that instead of furthering that.
Case in point being the the districts called "The United States" in the 2008 and 2012 district elections.
Hacks ?? I don't know Bee enough to comment on her, but while I see how Colbert's style is not super helpful at convincing people that aren't already convinced Oliver has his good moments. In the Gerrymandering video he makes some interesting points about how districts that looks bad on a map might be a lot better in terms of actually representing the people in the area than good old squares (in certain specific circumstances). Yes the Drumpf bit during the election was probably counter productive but his coverage of things is mostly good.
