Govern and make war

[Mattius41]

I do feel there are two areas your Mod could expand into to become more detailed and realistic..

As far as governments go I would be useful to have tension between socialist and capitalist governments(in the form of bad relations and economic blokade) and once the UN wonder is built for all military dictatorship/fascists to be sanctioned and have awful reputation....perhaps certain governmental differences between nations would allow the use of covert ops and espionage without declaring war when the nation is in revoultionary state....freedom of intervention.

Another important area largely neglected by fireaxis is that of religion. For the pre-industrial world (and still today) religion is a major driving force in culture. I would see the following areas in civ

1. Civ specific religion (i.e arabs with islam, european powers start catholic some turn protestant, india is hindu, ect) with specific wonders and improvements. all civs start pagan.

2. Religious differences between nations a cause of war and poor relations

3. Each main religion has technological advances tree, the more advances, city improvements and wonders the hgher culture rating

4. if possible combine religion into culture rating and make it so one religion can convert other nations cities, either fully or partially, without taking control of it. therefore your civ has to deal with religious and ethnic minorities. Make it possible for these divisions in time of weaknesss, to cause civil war...in thats possible in civ3

I feel these changes would be difficult to make but would be worth it for those looking for more realistic interaction between powers, thus more realistic alliance systems, not always about a raw power struggle

Please tell me Ralendil what you think.
Matt

 

[richard shults]

love the mod when are you going to come out with new addations? still can not go to foreign advisor in modern times

 

[Ralendil]

First sorry ! I was tring to check one compatibility patch for my mod with french games (not made by me I precise me I work only on VO). It have taken most of my time I usually spend on civ3.

Moreover I have worked on my website...

@ Mattius41


Civ3 have its own limit. Religion isn't integrated by firaxis. For your idea "each main religion has technological advances tree, the more advances, city improvements and wonders the hgher culture rating" I don't think. Too much work, PTW arrive I don't want to make unuseless work. Moreover I prefer to make differences between Culture (concept of civ3). I would want a units tree for European cultures and one other for east cultures.
It would be graphical differences on units. I have to think about american civilizations (Naturals american, Aztec...).

if possible combine religion into culture rating and make it so one religion can convert other nations cities, either fully or partially, without taking control of it. therefore your civ has to deal with religious and ethnic minorities. Make it possible for these divisions in time of weaknesss, to cause civil war...in thats possible in civ3

Again ! It was asked by most of us... like in CTP or in Civ2. But here it is Firaxis work not mine.

I feel these changes would be difficult to make but would be worth it for those looking for more realistic interaction between powers, thus more realistic alliance systems, not always about a raw power struggle

Yes too difficult see upper.


Well now a nota on religion: I think like u on many things except one. Religious isn't a cultural concept. It is due to the domination of a civilization. But religion can change !!!! See Roman Empire with Christians... Oki I don't know most examples... an another, the United kingdom that have created its own religion (or near).
Germany with Luther. India with buddhism, Japan with buddhism, India with........ etc.....


@ richard shults

Well see the beginning. I will release a new beta soon. But beta are only on my website. I release here only final versions. Don't want to purpose something buggued !
You know where to find this I am sure

 

[Alexander86]

Hmm, Mattius is right. Some changes about religion should be done.
Could you change the temple to a church or something else for european nations, a mosque for isalmics and leave it this way for others ? Yes I know there is a cathedral but there is a difference between a church and a cathedral.
It would look nicer and it would solve some religion problems.
I don't think the temple looks good for european nations because it is in fact Stonehenge.
I look forward to your reply.

 

[Ralendil]

First have you seen this?

Well now a nota on religion: I think like u on many things except one. Religious isn't a cultural concept. It is due to the domination of a civilization. But religion can change !!!! See Roman Empire with Christians... Oki I don't know most examples... an another, the United kingdom that have created its own religion (or near).
Germany with Luther. India with buddhism, Japan with buddhism, India with........ etc.....

Hmmm... the only thing I would perheaps done it is change the name of temple to something else. But temple is a word use by first christians. Used also by Jews. Also by "Protestant" (french word). I don't think there's an another good words.

My idea is not to making a game where you will do the same history as Earth history ! Our history have been able to be totally different. And if the D Day have been a total failure? We wouldn't be under a democratic system but a fascist system (maybe).

And about muslims. Don't u know the history of Mahommet (french name plz correct me)? Mahommamet was the prophet. He have tried to bring his writting to The Mecque. But there was an another religion in it.... and it was the Hegire...

So don't think the religion is a thing that could be fixed to a country ! Think about the indonesia... the country with the most part of muslim isn statistics. Mahommet was not from indonesia !

For the fact religious was a reason of some wars.... don't think... it is a pretext to make war ! Not the reason.
The religious war between Europeans and Muslim Empire have opposed some countries. Not religions. First it was Roman Byzantine empire against it, after the Holy Empire Germanic (=> in french saint empire germanic).
And in my mod it would be Arabe (civ) Gvt: Theocratic
For the fact Arabian Empire was making religious war. But in reality it was a war between two countries. (we can see that also as a cultural fight... but that have been for 2 countries.

Tell me what do you think other...
For cathedral make suggestions about the new name

Totally agree it is not a general name but christian name.

 

[Alexander86]

European religion hasn't change it's still Christian, but faith has changed: Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant etc.

Ah, c'mon Christian religious structures don't look very different, make the change.

Yes I know about the temple thing ex: Temple of Solomon etc, but the European one is in fact THE STONEHENGE. Can you change it's look, more Christian,European etc. Personaly I don't like it. It ruins the city look. Sure the English may keep it if you want.

BTW can you post more screenshots on your site? They're too few.

 

[Mattius41]

I undestand if my suggestions are somewhat difficult to implement, but perhaps they can be simplified. Make pagan religions for ancient times, probably making them universal for all civs until they discover monothesism. When they do a choice opens up to them to research religions specific to their global position. i.e europeans christianity, asians discover monothesim allowing buddahism, islam, confiusiosm,...once decision has been made you can convert to another religion at the demand of a foriegn to the displesaure of population , or advance to a different civ-specific version of your religion (only allowed for some civs who have religion as their attribute). This allows religious civs to build more buildings and be more able to make other civs convert.

Alternativelty miltary civs can recive religious techs from which civ they decide and then spread their religion by the sword

Religion is often downplayed by modern historians in favour of relapoitik being used by figures of the past. This has some truth but we must never forget that in the past people firmly belived in their gods will and that if they should die their fate depended on their religious devotion. This extended to all elements of society and had an effect on foriegn policy.. Of course in the game this can become impossible after a certain advance(natonalism). Religion was one of the main factors in dark age and early mediaevil age, not nationalism or loyalty to the state...states hardly exisited in this fuedal age... religion cannot be forgotten in any game that spans human history.

 

[thisismysn20]

Hey I was just wondering what your stats you used for your modern carrier? And did you use the same graphics as the one in the game?

I've been looking for another carrier to add to my game for a long time, seeing how one doesn't truly reflect modern times.

Let me know thanks.

 

[Ralendil]

Modern carrier is a nuclear carrier.
One mouvement more it is all...

No modern carrier use the defaut animations of Civ3. But "normal" carrier use the carrier animation that you can find here in the forum of units creation.
It is a carrier of WW2.

For religion.... It is good that you said... Do you want me to develop a game? cause no way to integrate that like u say. Or give me a link ! (do you know personnaly Sid Meiers?)

Moreover I don't think like u. The examples are (few here):

Roman Empire with Diocletian => End of paganism. After Christians have ruled
China => With Taoisme
India => With paganism and after indouhism
Japan => With emperor cult, with buddhism, with animism
Arabian empire => before being muslim it was paganist country.
England => with the protestant religion created for them, also with the abandon of paganist cult.

If I do something like u say GMW will lose it's FEATURES !!!!!!!!!!!!!
And it will named Religious Wars

CORRECT ALL FAULT OF LANGUAGE I HAVE WRITTEN THIS TOO QUICK SRRY.

 

[Alexander86]

Ok but what about the temple look and the screenshots on your site, I've just mentioned ?



Oh and keep in mind, those posting in this forum want to help you making your mod better then others.

 

[Ralendil]

Oh and keep in mind, those posting in this forum want to help you making your mod better then others.

All right !

But don't think the religion is an important factor as u said.
European have fighted between them for long time, muslim also. Only Jews that have been united all time but no country in diaspora.

Plz forgive me I haven't slept.... and I try to repair something in the php code of my website
And i am going to be fool....

But post your suggestions... but keep in mind the limit of civ3

I will take a look after the new patch soon... but I have too many things to do.

 

[Alexander86]

You are actualy logged on...

Does this mean you'll change the look and post more screenshots ?

 

[Alexander86]

Tell me more about the patches and versions of Govern & Make War. I want to download it, but I want it to be "error-less".
I think you understand why: 30 MB, dial-up connection 33.600 bps. It'll take me a day to download the whole thing and if it has errors .... You know what happens.

 

[richard shults]

just downloaded 1.29 patch from civ3, GMW will not run on the new patch , should i go back to 1.21 or will upgrade using 1,29 any time soon thanks richard

 

[Ralendil]

just downloaded 1.29 patch from civ3, GMW will not run on the new patch , should i go back to 1.21 or will upgrade using 1,29 any time soon thanks richard

Thx Richard for your help ! I will take a look after that I think few things have to be corrected, but I have to rewritte entirely the pediaicon.txt file due to the changes of the 1.29.
It won't be long...

Tell me more about the patches and versions of Govern & Make War. I want to download it, but I want it to be "error-less".
I think you understand why: 30 MB, dial-up connection 33.600 bps. It'll take me a day to download the whole thing and if it has errors .... You know what happens.

@ richard shults

Well see the beginning. I will release a new beta soon. But beta are only on my website. I release here only final versions. Don't want to purpose something buggued !
You know where to find this I am sure |/quote]

What needed to add? ask your questions....

Does this mean you'll change the look and post more screenshots ?

Don't understood. Post more screenshots ? Change the look?

If you speak about the temple or cathedral for me look isn't very important. I search someone to improve that and to make the civilopedia. For me the most important thing is too have a game balanced and also an interresting game.
I correct the display but I don't work on graphics ! See in the credits. All graphics come from another excellents works ! Snoopy for the terrains, TVA22, Pesolocolo etc... for the units.

I am not a graphic designer.
I just try to make a better game with all the greats improvements i can add. Moreover if I spend my time on this you will have the next release to december or something like that.

For the graphics I am waiting your files If you done it contact me. I would be able to integrate this if I find this good.
And at the civ3 format... not a jpg taked from internet (except wonders). I can integrate them easily as I will make it for the main background of the mod done by Overseas (u will discover that next release). He has done some corrections that will be integrated in the mod.
As u see my work on graphics is reduced to import and convert pictures into civ3. No more...

 

[Alexander86]

I meant I'd like you to post more screenshots on your site (pictures from the game). You've already posted 3 screenshots (one was with the foreign advisor {nice addicion }) I think, post some more.

 

[Ralendil]

ok..

I try to do a php website to wintime (but for now i spend more time than i win...)
Why a php website? cause HTML is too boring to update !

So yes I will add more screenshots. It is just a beginning. Happy that you have liked this . But i don't know yet how to organize all that.
I do not want HTML in my Php files... so I have to learn a little the php .
For now the website have got a forum (wich is most french) with a category GMW in english. I want to add a library (for now only in french but soon i hope in english) to permit all to download beta versions if they want.
The edito on my HTML website is unuseless... as all it if I found how to organize all that.
I am nearly to finish my little forum. (miss the personnal page and upper menus that could be changed). After that I want to integrate (and to delete so) the HTML part of my website (english and french). I will let only some page to inform when errors in SQL server occurs.

I hope it will answer to your questions.

 

[Alexander86]

No problem, I understand French, though I find it harder to speak
(grammar stuff).

 

[Alexander86]

Ok, I'm downloading your mod from this thread. Is there any other patch or something else I have to install (an upgrade maybe).

BTW I think you should add the Tiger by Smoking Mirror instead of the Panther. The Tiger looks cooler and it's more powerfull.


Oh, one more thing the look mathers very much (also balance). How would you like to play civ3 with the graphic of civ1 ?
So I think you should pay more attention to this part of the game. Yes I know you haven't got time for the graphics. I would help you, but I'm no artist, I'm not good at creating buildings and units, but there might be somebody available, who could help you. (this is all connected to my request for a new temple look. I really think this could solve the religion problem, at least partially)

Your mod would be much more complex & interesting if you would add all the WW2 units. Balance would suffer a little but c'mon you must make this mod a little historical accurate.

Hmm it's late and I'm forgeting my ideas. I think I'll post some more tomorrow.

I'm looking forward to your reply.

 

[Ralendil]

no graphics added in the civfanatics version (GMW)

All graphics are in TGMW.
See my website... (no all updated but in progress)

Tiger animation is in the mod... I will inverse the two animations and give name tiger. Thx for this note.

How would you like to play civ3 with the graphic of civ1 ?

Nothing inderstood here...

For Richard Shult: version 1.29 is in progress you will benefit of it soon (on my website as a beta)
1.29 patch is the better patch by firaxis for mods creator