Great Quotes II: Source and Context are Key

[Borachio]

I'd say: as distinctly subservient (or of lower status) to another class? Absolutely not.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

I'd say: as distinctly subservient (or of lower status) to another class? Absolutely not.

Two classes cannot exist side by side. So long as there is class division, there is class oppression. That is the telos of classes.

 

[Borachio]

Yes. As far as social class is concerned, that certainly seems to be the case. Assuming people are supposedly born into a social class with a certain hierarchical position.

I'm not sure class conflict is inevitable, though. Still, I daresay you're right, so I'm not going to argue about it.

 

[Phrossack]

There is an "Ask A Red" thread already.

"Personal pronouns and adjectives are a fruitful nuisance in this language, and should have been left out. For instance, the same sound, sie, means you, and it means she, and it means her, and it means it, and it means they, and it means them. Think of the ragged poverty of a language which has to make one word do the work of six -- and a poor little weak thing of only three letters at that. But mainly, think of the exasperation of never knowing which of these meanings the speaker is trying to convey. This explains why, whenever a person says sie to me, I generally try to kill him, if a stranger."

-Mark Twain, "The Awful German Language"

 

[Flying Pig]

Two classes cannot exist side by side. So long as there is class division, there is class oppression. That is the telos of classes.

I suppose the obvious question would be 'how do you define and delineate a class?'

 

[Traitorfish]

The Marxist response is that classes define themselves through struggle, although in this instance that may risk circularity. What's central for Marx, at any rate, is the existence of antagonisms that emerge as general to a society.

 

[bhsup]

Since the quotes thread has apparently become the new Marx thread, I'll just give a Marx quote.

"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Marx

 

[ReindeerThistle]

lolwut?

I googled that...

Edit: wrong Marx...

"Wherever you go... I will be right here waiting for you..." -- Marx

 

[bhsup]

It wasn't the 'wrong' Marx, just not the Marx you may have been expecting.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Wha' no comment on my Marx quote, Fury from Missouri?

 

[bhsup]

Whoa... hey, what's up with this real Karl Marx quote?

"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror." - Karl Marx

 

[Arakhor]

I'm guessing that this was more A Day At The Races Marx than Highgate Cemetery Marx.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

He is referencing the 1793 French Revolutionary period known commonly as "The Terror." It was the period of revolutionary organization following the powder keg of the palace coup.

However, as I wrote in another thread: "The only person who appreciates being changed is a wet baby..."

Edit: Marx is also speaking to a very small minority, the class oppressors and historic antagonists of the proletariat.

 

[Arakhor]

Ah. More Robespierre than Rochefort, then.

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Ah. More Robespierre than Rochefort, then.

Lenin described a Bolshevik as a Jacobin to which proletarian class consciousness has been added.

 

[bhsup]

Oh hey, you may have misunderstood why I posted that. I'm not saying he shouldn't have said it, I just want make sure we've got quid pro quo here. I, after all, put YOU on our protected lists...

 

[ReindeerThistle]

Absolutely. We are going to need the VRCW to stave off the liberals and reformers who attach themselves to every revolution, then nit-pick you to death.

 

[Phrossack]

Please don't make communism the new Poland/Ron Paul/Greece/American Civil War.

Anyway...

"The police are anxious to speak to anyone who saw the crime, ladies with large breasts, or just anyone who likes policemen."

-Monty Python's Flying Circus, "Red Indian in Theatre"

 

[ReindeerThistle]

"An army of deer led by a lion is more fearsome than an army of lions led by a deer."
-- Alexander the Great, as quoted in the Marine Corps NCO Manual

 

[madviking]

i dunno, more venison