Gun cam footage from Iraq

[ainwood]

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[-0blivion-]

However, when dealing with terrorist, the majority of the time they just leave there wounded there. So you just shoot to kill.

Nice to see that the US treats enemy soldiers that way - maybe they should have killed Jessica Lynch, instead of taking her to hospital?

 

[-0blivion-]

It was in my Digital Communication class a student pulled up the footage and everybody in the class (including the teacher) gathered around and watched. We all started cheering when the explosions began.

Wow. That is depraved.
Nice to see the general thoughts of most people on life and death in red states..
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[samildanach]

There is alot of footage from Iraq. I watched a vedio on ogrish.com a while back that showed a guy aiming an RPG at a tank and just before he fires he is nailed by machine gun fire. Very greusome.

I'm not sure if I should link it or not.

Probably not wise. I was directed there from a football board when I wanted to see one of the beheadings. Some if its content would give you a mandatory year in prison in the U.K. if you dl'd it.

 

[Stefan Haertel]

Eyrei

Whats wrong with people watching this? You don't watch footage of combat from WWI and WWII? I don't really see the difference between this vedio and vedio of footage from the eastern from or from Iwo Jima.

Should the US government ban footage from being broadcasted from Iraq?

I doubt he was pointing out to the fact that people watch people being killed, but much more to the way they do so. Just read all these comments here! They make me sick too! Observe:

Edit: As for graphic content. Use common sense. A 30mm gun on a human target leaves a bit of mess.

I like how the "farmers" had know idea where the helicopter was or where the fire was coming from. AH-64s are truly awesome and deadly machines.

Bdtdtdtdtdtdtdtdtdtd!!!!! **No more wounded Iraqi**

YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS! Don't you get it's not about whether you are fighting a terrorist here or something, but you are approving and applauding the extermination of human life as if it were some piece of prime time entertainment?

This is just plain disgusting.

 

[Mescalhead]

You guys honestly sicken me. One day you will evolve and figure out that war is not fun, and it is not honorable (especially when you are riding in a gunship at night that the 'enemy' can't even see). Try to look beyond that glowing box in front of you for a little while, and realize that you only get one life and you don't respawn if killed. Now expand that bit of logic to the PEOPLE who you just watched die in that video.

I get what you are saying, but you may confuse delight with interest. I think people should see this so they can more accurately understand how one set of humans have been able to push their will on others through war. To actually see people die drives the point home like imagining it can not. The more people know and see with their own eyes, the better off they will be because they will have seen how people kill.They wil know that civilized life in the west is not the norm. They will see how it is not just some people dying far off. Simply ignoring it or disallowing youreself to watch will not make it go away.

 

[Bugfatty300]

I doubt he was pointing out to the fact that people watch people being killed, but much more to the way they do so. Just read all these comments here! They make me sick too! Observe:

Edit: As for graphic content. Use common sense. A 30mm gun on a human target leaves a bit of mess.

Well that is the truth isn't it? Its not like watching people blown to bits is entertainment for me.

Nice to see the general thoughts of most people on life and death in red states..

Well no. Actually that was 3 years ago this month. I was living in Maryland (Very liberal) at the time.

But keep in mind that the September 11th attacks had just happened a month ago and we were still very much influenced by vedios of people dancing in the street when they saw/heard of the attacks.

Maybe as a Briton the attacks didn't effect you emotionally as much as common Americans. Some people were to the point that it made them a little scary or even crazy.

People have calmed down alot though. Its very different now.

 

[Arminius]

Socrates says death is one of two things, neither of which are to be feared. Real people dying for what they believe in is wrong? I don't understand.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

Anyone in this thread who has even remotely expressed sympathy for the terrorists /aka psychotic mass murderers, is a lot more than just 'ill'. :shakehead

 

[Peri]

Anyone in this thread who has even remotely expressed sympathy for the terrorists /aka psychotic mass murderers, is a lot more than just 'ill'. :shakehead

So you are totally convinced then that anyone who resists the American occupation of Iraq must be a terrorist then? Has the Bush Cheney approved dictionary revised the meaning of this word too?

 

[eyrei]

Anyone in this thread who has even remotely expressed sympathy for the terrorists /aka psychotic mass murderers, is a lot more than just 'ill'. :shakehead

Oh, sorry. Since God is on our side, our enemies are all psychopaths and we are free of guilt.

 

[Arminius]

Oh, sorry. Since God is on our side, our enemies are all psychopaths and we are free of guilt.

And so we act as narrow-minded as those we see as narrow-minded.

 

[Peri]

Now I know young lads get all macho and testosterone filled about things but having re-read some of these posts Im a little scared.
I do hope this is all down to the callowness of youth rather than a reflection of a quasi mesianic and belicose attitude sweeping the US

 

[PantheraTigris2]

AC-130 Spectre gunship intercom:

Pilot: "Approaching compound... standby. 11 o'clock low... awaiting engagement clearance"

Gunnery chief: "Roger, all systems standing by. Position checks..."

M61 20mm Vulcan gunner 1: "G1, green"

M61 20mm Vulcan gunner 2: "G2, check"

L60 40mm Bofors cannon gunner: "G3, ready to rock"

M102 105mm howitzer gunner: "Gun 4, roger - affirm"

Gunnery chief: "Be advised, smaller building northwest of main compund is mosque... do not engage mosque".

G4: "Roger, negative engagement on mosque, copy"

...

Pilot: "Cleared for engagement"

Gunnery chief: "Movement down there. Looks like they're scrambling out of the primary target building Take the 'em out."

G1, -3, -4: "Engaging" / "Get some" / "Goin' hot"

...

G2: "Hey... wait a minute. You know... those are people down there... just like us! This just isn't right. Have you guys really thought this through...? It just doesn't sit well with me. I think we oughta negotiate with them. I mean really, we have to ask ourselves... have we tried all other options before resorting to such violence?"

...

 

[Peri]

Well if only your beloved messiah sorry I meant President had tried that approach then there wouldn't be so many dead US servicemen or Iraqi civillians.
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[samildanach]

Of the two vids. The one where the crowd of people get blown up seems like fair game to me. The strike was called in by special forces on the ground. If there was a mistake then its their fault not the air crews. I don't think there was a mistake as they are all leaving the building at night and going in the same direction - looks like a mob bent on mischief to me.

The other looks like three farmers getting whacked. There is a tractor, a truck and a pick-up. The tractors engine is warm, there is a difference in the heat signature of the land before and after the tractor suggesting that they have actually been ploughing and have been engaged in it for some time. Before the strike it looks like a swap of drivers is taking place. The guy leaving the tractor is taken out first, the new driver then waves a cloth to show that he is no threat after he sees the old driver being vapourised, he is then taken out.

At this point there seems to be confusion in the helicopter as to how many "terrorists" they are dealing with. At the start of the video I can clearly see three people, one by the truck and the two drivers. The crew only realise there is three when they see a movement by one of the trucks wheels. The fact that there is confusion about the actual numbers of targets suggests that they have just hit these people without making any kind of assessment of whether or not they pose a threat. They crew were under no pressure to make a decision as the " terrorists" were not aware of their presence. The crew then fire on the truck where the third " terrorist" is sheltering behind the engine block. The truck appears to catch fire, the "terrorist" crawls away from the truck , he may or may not be wounded, the helicopter crew assume that he is and finish him off.

On the face of it looks like the murder of three innocent farmers by gungho Snip Moderator Action: Language - warned.
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[ainwood]

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[De Lorimier]

I'm not debating if the people killed deserved it or not, that's not the issue for me.
What I think is appalling is the obvious kick some folks get out of seeing real people, whoever they are, getting killed. The whole idea that the military and weaponry can be cool to some is something I just cannot understand. I thought most people (except the ones who actually are making a living in the military) outgrew that phase before puberty.

 

[PantheraTigris2]

I'm not debating if the people killed deserved it or not, that's not the issue for me.
What I think is appalling is the obvious kick some folks get out of seeing real people, whoever they are, getting killed. The whole idea that the military and weaponry can be cool to some is something I just cannot understand. I thought most people (except the ones who actually are making a living in the military) outgrew that phase before puberty.

Step 1:

Do you think footage of a battleship firing it's main gun batteries in a massive salvo is 'neat'/'cool'/'impressive', etc.?

 

[Moss]

I find it impressive and cool when a test bomb or missle is fired that harms no one.

If find it sad and somber when those tests become reality.

I find it completely immoral and outrageous when people find humor in watching the death of other people. Turn those video's from Iraq around and have it be the Iraqi's killing American's or British. You wouldn't look at the same way would you?