azzaman333
meh
Limiting used games is taking away the massive profits that used game stores make. It's got nothing to do with players being criminals.
I install almost every game to my Xbox360, haven't had any space issues there.
Has Microsoft stumbled?
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Limiting used games is taking away the massive profits that used game stores make. It's got nothing to do with players being criminals.
I install almost every game to my Xbox360, haven't had any space issues there.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
The other problem with that is no detaching HDs so if you fill up your hard drive you have to buy another Xbox One! I own A LOT of 360 games. I know installed games take up space on an HD and it adds up. When you have over 100 games, plus saved games AND DLC, I can see that being an issue or just a way to force people to buy Cloud save service.
Mise
isle of lucy
You can't borrow games if the game is tied to an account, and you can't take a game round to a friend's house to play it unless you sign in to your account -- both of which massively reduce the appeal of a console. I think that this is much more significant than used games or (lol) storage space on the hard drive. Like, half the point of a console is that I can invite a bunch of friends round and they can bring their games and I can have my games and we can all play games. We can have xbox parties and such. Now I can't have an xbox party unless I have a game that everyone wants to play, and people can't bring their games round to play unless they install that shizznit on my xbox and log in to their Live account. That's like totally stupid.
azzaman333
meh
Yeah, that's the only real thing I dislike from what's been revealed about One. I'm hoping it's not as prohibitive as it sounds.
Mise
isle of lucy
Yeah I'm hoping they allow you to play from CD and only check your live account if you actually install it.
I'm willing to pay a fair purchasing price if I get rights similar to a customer buying a physical good.
I'm willing to pay a fair fee for a compelling service offering.
If it's some muddled in-between that puts me on a leash... I'm willing to pay very little or may consider it not worth my time, never mind the money. Tending towards the latter because dodgy business models come with subtle incentives to make dodgy games. This almost turned me off mainstream PC gaming, and as far as I can tell it's worse for consoles.
I'm willing to pay a fair fee for a compelling service offering.
If it's some muddled in-between that puts me on a leash... I'm willing to pay very little or may consider it not worth my time, never mind the money. Tending towards the latter because dodgy business models come with subtle incentives to make dodgy games. This almost turned me off mainstream PC gaming, and as far as I can tell it's worse for consoles.
1) The problem is that you can't swap out hard drives or get bigger ones.
2) Never bought a used game, never sold a game either, I think I may have trade a disc with a friend once for the original XBox
3) No one cares what you do in front of your XBox
4) Same thing with PS4. I think the shifts to x86 will be more beneficial than the things lost from no backwards compatibility.
Maybe, maybe not.
Mise
isle of lucy
The SNES wasn't backwards compatible with the NES either, and the SNES was the greatest console ever created.
Yeah but then Sony spoiled everyone with the backwards compatability feature of the PS2 and now people just expect it to be a permanent feature in console gaming.
On an unrelated note, I have read this entire thread and I have to ask: Is it just me or does Tommy Vercetti really have it out Microsoft something fierce?
Apparently, only one XBL account will be able to be logged in at one time. Far be it from me to praise Steam, but Microsoft seem to be going out of their way to turn the new Xbox into an inferior Steam-like device.
Yeah I'm not sure if I'm going to get an Xbox One yet. I think I'm just going to wait for it to actually be released and see what people have to say about it then.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
I used to be very pro Microsoft. I hate the direction they are going in with Windows 8 and now the XBox One.
aimeeandbeatles
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Actually, it seems that the camera maybe used for DRM:
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/xbox-one-will-kinect-2-use-visual-drm
That makes me rather nervous to be honest. (Though I am a PC gamer and see no reason to get any sort of console.)
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/xbox-one-will-kinect-2-use-visual-drm
That makes me rather nervous to be honest. (Though I am a PC gamer and see no reason to get any sort of console.)
azzaman333
meh
If Microsoft want to watch me playing Xbox, they're in for a very boring time.
Mr.WorldWide
Smugly Inferior
I expect privacy in my home, I'd have no problem using an xbox 1 in public but when I'm inside my house I don't leave the door open just so some passerby can walk in on me if they wanted to.
Your life may be an open book but some of us are a little more complicated.
Your life may be an open book but some of us are a little more complicated.
So it looks like the whole used games thing isn't going to be as bad as originally thought. First off, the fees for playing a used game are still unconfirmed rumors. And it looks like the system they are implementing really only hurts game retailers that make most of their money from used game sales. Even then, the only way it hurts retailers is that the retailer no longer gets 100% of the revenue from reselling a game; Microsoft and the game's developer will now get their cut as well just like with the sale of a brand new copy of a game.
If I understand what I am reading correctly, Microsoft is basically making it so every copy of every game will be registered in some grand database. Game retailers will then have to update the database whenever somebody trades in a game. Microsoft will then delete the game from the previous owner's hard drive and when the game is resold, a portion of the revenue goes to the developer and Microsoft. This does not seem like that big of a deal to me. The only negative aspect for the gamer that I see from this system is that used games will probably now cost just as much as a brand new copy.
Of course game retailers like Gamestop are trying to paint Microsoft as the devil incarnate and get people all riled up about this because now their big money-maker isn't going to be so profitable anymore. In fact, with the announcment of the Xbox One Gamestop's stock dropped 10%. I think what we are seeing with the new consoles and the rise of digital distribution, is that big game retailers are being slowly cut out of the gaming equation and they are desperately struggling to stop that from happening. Personally, I say good riddance to game retailers, most of them are rip-offs anyway. They have basically been robbing from game developers via the used game market for years and now that the jig is up, they are whining like little children.
If I understand what I am reading correctly, Microsoft is basically making it so every copy of every game will be registered in some grand database. Game retailers will then have to update the database whenever somebody trades in a game. Microsoft will then delete the game from the previous owner's hard drive and when the game is resold, a portion of the revenue goes to the developer and Microsoft. This does not seem like that big of a deal to me. The only negative aspect for the gamer that I see from this system is that used games will probably now cost just as much as a brand new copy.
Of course game retailers like Gamestop are trying to paint Microsoft as the devil incarnate and get people all riled up about this because now their big money-maker isn't going to be so profitable anymore. In fact, with the announcment of the Xbox One Gamestop's stock dropped 10%. I think what we are seeing with the new consoles and the rise of digital distribution, is that big game retailers are being slowly cut out of the gaming equation and they are desperately struggling to stop that from happening. Personally, I say good riddance to game retailers, most of them are rip-offs anyway. They have basically been robbing from game developers via the used game market for years and now that the jig is up, they are whining like little children.
Details are just that, details.
If it's not handled like a true purchase (i.e. I'm free to gift, sell, loan etc the thing as I please) I'm not willing to pay a fair purchasing price.
Worse, we're getting used to asinine limitations with godawful technical implications... a lot of hassle in modern tech stems from enforcing these restrictions (overcomplicated wrappers for the media, dodgy drivers trying to make sure you can't intercept data going to output devices to do with as you please...).
as for "robbing game developers"... by that reasoning, everytime you fix or sell something instead of throwing it away, you're robbing manufacturers. Every time you have sex without paying for it, you're robbing some poor little pimp and their associates. Every time you're helping someone for free, you're being an antisocial twit.
If it's not handled like a true purchase (i.e. I'm free to gift, sell, loan etc the thing as I please) I'm not willing to pay a fair purchasing price.
Worse, we're getting used to asinine limitations with godawful technical implications... a lot of hassle in modern tech stems from enforcing these restrictions (overcomplicated wrappers for the media, dodgy drivers trying to make sure you can't intercept data going to output devices to do with as you please...).
as for "robbing game developers"... by that reasoning, everytime you fix or sell something instead of throwing it away, you're robbing manufacturers. Every time you have sex without paying for it, you're robbing some poor little pimp and their associates. Every time you're helping someone for free, you're being an antisocial twit.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
I don't see why anyone thinks used games hurt the industry. People on a limited budget should still get to enjoy games if they are willing to wait for a good deal on a used copy, why stop them? Microsoft will have to do damage control soon.
With Windows 8 becoming more of a failure, with the adaptation rates being extremely low, still doing worse then Vista was at this point in its troubled history. Now with the XBoxOne looking to be a major flop with the restrictions on used games, partial DRM and always on Kinect being potential deal breakers for A LOT of gamers.
Unless they do some serious damage control soon they could lose a lot of money from two of there major income sources. Will it put Microsoft out of business? Highly unlikely but there is a good chance a lot there decision makers who are behind Windows 8 and the XBoxOne could end up being fired. The fact for Windows 8, PC manufactures are not happy with sales, they could pressure MS into bring back the start menu and booting straight to desktop. If the X1 sells poorly which is likely will we could see it lose a lot of third party support. I have been a Microsoft fan for years but there recent decisions have been just flat out bad. I was a fan of Windows XP, Windows 7 and the XBox360. While Vista was buggy, at least it LOOKED like Windows and functioned like Windows. The Xbox and XBox360 were both great systems. Microsoft has become very arrogant and has lost a lot there direction. They are becoming Mid 90s Apple.
With Windows 8 becoming more of a failure, with the adaptation rates being extremely low, still doing worse then Vista was at this point in its troubled history. Now with the XBoxOne looking to be a major flop with the restrictions on used games, partial DRM and always on Kinect being potential deal breakers for A LOT of gamers.
Unless they do some serious damage control soon they could lose a lot of money from two of there major income sources. Will it put Microsoft out of business? Highly unlikely but there is a good chance a lot there decision makers who are behind Windows 8 and the XBoxOne could end up being fired. The fact for Windows 8, PC manufactures are not happy with sales, they could pressure MS into bring back the start menu and booting straight to desktop. If the X1 sells poorly which is likely will we could see it lose a lot of third party support. I have been a Microsoft fan for years but there recent decisions have been just flat out bad. I was a fan of Windows XP, Windows 7 and the XBox360. While Vista was buggy, at least it LOOKED like Windows and functioned like Windows. The Xbox and XBox360 were both great systems. Microsoft has become very arrogant and has lost a lot there direction. They are becoming Mid 90s Apple.
Repeating this doesn't make it so.
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