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Canadians healthier than Americans
(CP) - A new study comparing the health and health-care access of Canadians and Americans suggests that Canadians are in general healthier and have better access to health care than their neighbours to the south.

Sure, Canadian wait times are bad, one of the authors admits. But the inherent inequity in the U.S. system and its failure to cover a huge swath of the American populace is worse, says Dr. David Himmelstein, of Harvard Medical School and the Cambridge Health Alliance.

"I think what our data . . . clearly shows that for any given level of expenditure, you get far more and far better care from a Canadian method of going about financing it (health care) than from the U.S. method," said Himmelstein, a specialist in primary care internal medicine.

"You (in Canada) spend at a very low level. And get very good value for care."

All the extra money Americans spend don't seem to be buying them better health. The study - based on identical large surveys conducted on both sides of the border - showed Americans are more likely to be obese (20.7 per cent versus 15.3 per cent), more likely to suffer from diabetes (6.7 per cent vs. 4.7 per cent) and are more likely to have high blood pressure (18.3 per cent vs. 13.9 per cent) than Canadians.

Americans are also more likely to live an entirely sedentary lifestyle; 13.6 per cent reported they had taken no physical exercise in the three months prior to the study, versus 6.5 per cent of Canadians.

Surprisingly, Canadian respondents smoked more than their American cousins. Nineteen per cent of Canadians reported being a daily smoker versus 16.8 per cent of Americans.

But for reasons that aren't clear, rates of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease - a condition closely linked to smoking - were almost double among American respondents as compared to the Canadians.

"Canadians look a tad healthier on a number of measures, I guess most importantly diabetes and hypertension," said Himmelstein.

"And (they) also report generally that they get care a bit more easily than Americans, despite spending so much less than we do."

Himmelstein and his co-authors analysed data from the Joint Canada/U.S. Survey of Health, which compared health status, access to care and health-care utilization in the two countries.

The data were collected through phone surveys conducted by Statistics Canada and the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics between November 2002 and March 2003, with 3,500 Canadians and 5,200 Americans asked the same questions about their health and health-care usage.

The study was published Tuesday in the American Journal of Public Health.

Though many Canadians report having trouble finding a family doctor, the survey suggests Americans have a bigger problem on this front. Nearly 85 per cent of Canadians reported having a family doctor, versus just under 80 per cent in the U.S.

And only 5.1 per cent of Canadians reported being unable to pay for needed medication; the rate in the U.S. was virtually double.

Overall, 13.2 per cent of Americans said they had unmet health needs, compared to 10.7 per cent of Canadians. Himmelstein said the Canadian problem related to waiting times for care, but in the U.S. it was inability to get care at all because of cost barriers.

"Once you fall ill in the United States, your fundamental barrier to access - if indeed you have one - is your ability to pay. Whereas our fundamental barrier to access here is you get stuck on a long waiting list," said Dr. Tom Noseworthy, director of the University of Calgary's Center for Health and Policy Studies and a founding member of the new group Canadian Doctors for Medicare.

"But when you look at the end service - Do the people with low income have a better shot at getting service? Do our immigrants and non-whites have a better shot at getting service? - we're doing better," he noted.

"So it would suggest that a universal coverage system is acting to ameliorate some of the discrepancies that are otherwise found in our society."

There was one area where Americans fared better than Canadians. Despite being less healthy and having less access to a vastly more expensive health-care system, Americans are happier with their care than Canadians are.
The last paragraph is the most interesting part of the article, in my not so humble opinion... it highlights the never-happy-about-anything attitude I see from a lot of Canadians, in spite of us living in one of the richest, safest country in the world.
 
One statistic I've been looking at is the expected life expectancy and the GDP spent on health care. I don't know if that's the best measure, but it strikes me as pretty good.

What else would be good to look at?
 
Actually, I'd recommned using "expectancy to morbidity" as a measure of general health. Longer overall life doesn't mean much if its just an elongation of the death process. How long can someone live an active life?

You'll find that in developed countries the morbidity period is much shorter than that in developing or third world countries among those who are of the same age.
 
I cannot see that, at all. I mean, we can keep a gramma alive for years by giving her a walker and smushy food. OTOH, I expect that in less develop countries, people die much more closely to when the fall invalid.
 
Nice article :goodjob:

That last bit doesn't surprise me at all. If tomorrow the Canadian government announced that it had developed a cure for cancer, free to all that needed it, we would still somehow take it as a sign that our system is failing :lol:
 
I don't understand. The system is failing. Just because its better than the U.S. doesn't mean we shouldn't complain.

Seriously, there is a brain drain and unwillingness on any governments part to fix the issue.

A billion dollars every time a budget comes around isn't enough.
 
El_Machinae said:
I cannot see that, at all. I mean, we can keep a gramma alive for years by giving her a walker and smushy food. OTOH, I expect that in less develop countries, people die much more closely to when the fall invalid.


Ah, but that's incorrect. They actually spend much more time on their deathbed before passing than in developed countries. In less developed countries, death tends to be a slower process.

You'd think otherwise, but economists love to show that what we think sometimes isnt true
 
Alpine Trooper said:
I don't understand. The system is failing. Just because its better than the U.S. doesn't mean we shouldn't complain.
Correct-a-mundo. Both systems have serious problems, from what I can tell. If Canada's is the less bad, well then have a cookie.
 
My concern is that medical advances are not incorporated, but demand for essential services will continue to go up.
 
Yet another study marred by appeasing racial egalitarians.

The statistics in the fifth paragraph are useless if different races do not have equal rates of high blood pressure, diabetes and obesity. The statistics should have been adjusted for the ethnic composition of the two countries since without such an adjustment, they provide no insight into which system is more effective.
 
El_Machinae said:
Without clicking links - is the diversity in those indicators due to race or society?
Is the divergent efficacy rate for treatment of high blood pressure due to race or society?

To maintain your thesis, you'd have to argue there exists a soft racism of expecting the treatments not to work as well for minorities (please, don't :)).
 
This merely continues to confirm what I've been saying for years.

The last paragraph is the most interesting part of the article, in my not so humble opinion... it highlights the never-happy-about-anything attitude I see from a lot of Canadians, in spite of us living in one of the richest, safest country in the world.

Why the hell shouldn't we complain? I'm sure we could do better. If we get more health for our buck than the Americans do, think of how well we could do with an American level of spending :O

What I do feel the need to point out here is that if our system is better than America's, there is no sense in attempting to Americanize our health care system. Stupid Alberta government . . . most American damn place in Canada . . .
 
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