How do you end 'cancel culture'?

[Cloud_Strife]

Okay.

Try writing coherently next time. When you ramble on in such an unorganized manner, badly stringing together unrelated and irrelevant subjects to the topic people will struggle to understand what it is you're talking about. Perhaps try reading what your just wrote back to yourself before posting. If it doesn't make sense to you, or you have a hard time following your train of thought, you should probably reconsider whatever point it was you were trying to make.

Do you understand the post you are critiquing

 

[BCheek]

Do you understand the post you are critiquing

Of course not, it's unintelligible word salad.

All I got from it was, "I don't understand what cancel culture even is. Does it even exit? I'm a communist, I hate police, everything sucks, I have nothing of any relevancy to add to this topic."

 

[Traitorfish]

I don't know if there is much we can do to "end cancel culture" anything expect wait for it to burn itself out. "Cancel culture" is a moral panic, and these things tend to burn themselves out when their zealots eventually go to far and prompt the reigning institution to bring them to heel. The Red Scare didn't end because of any push-back from its victims, but because McCarthy went after the army and that crossed a line. The more important concern is in limiting the damage it does on its way out, in ensuring that its proponents do not, in their credulous fervour, give away too much power to the state and to corporate entities, and as these are essentially civil and labour rights issues, I don't think they require any special program, just the same insistence that basic rights should not be given up under any rationale.

 

[GenMarshall]

I don't know if there is much we can do to "end cancel culture" anything expect wait for it to burn itself out. "Cancel culture" is a moral panic, and these things tend to burn themselves out when their zealots eventually go to far and prompt the reigning institution to bring them to heel.

So basically baton down the hatches and wait it out as if a hurricane just made landfall?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Of course not, it's unintelligible word salad.

All I got from it was, "I don't understand what cancel culture even is. Does it even exit? I'm a communist, I hate police, everything sucks, I have nothing of any relevancy to add to this topic."

Are you sure

 

[BCheek]

Are you sure

Are you asking me if I'm sure what my take away was from what he wrote? Yup, I'm sure. For the third time - Word.Salad.

 

[AntSou]

Cancel culture is literally just boycotting, which is an act of free speech...

Cancel culture is one of the most pervasive elements of American culture and it's been a part of your nation at least since McCarthy was cancelling "communists" and Reagan was incarcerating millions of African Americans for not consuming the right type of light drugs.
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So, after using the examples above, do you think you might be more open to the idea of why cancel culture is a problem? This is the issue with American politics. Everything is tribal. I have to spoon feed the above example to you because you could not conceive of it yourself. You immediately see any criticisms of cancel culture as a personal attack on the whole of your ideas and must immediately jump to its rescue and find excuses to justify it.

It's the same with Trump supporters always resorting to whataboutism any time their beliefs are put in check.

 

[BCheek]

Cancel culture is one of the most pervasive elements of American culture and it's been a part of your nation at least since McCarthy was cancelling "communists" and Reagan was incarcerating millions of African Americans for not consuming the right type of light drugs.

Um, "cancelling" a destructive political ideology that intents to undermine the society and arresting criminals isn't comparable to boycotting Chick-fil-A because you don't like an opinion someone in that company has.

 

[warpus]

So this is a form of online shaming, right? You can't get rid of this unless you get rid of social media somehow, and that isn't going anywhere. Look at twitter for instance, it seems to be like 90% full of morons. Of course some of these people are going to engage in public shaming. When the internet started becoming a normal thing that everybody uses, it could obviously be used for good or for bad..

 

[Arwon]

It's not really much of a thing though, is it. Your Facebook uncle uses "political correctness" nearly exactly the same way as younger people are now using "cancel culture". It's essentially the same complaint.

One of the big clues that it isn't much of a thing is how often prominent figures claim to have been repeatedly cancelled.

 

[Berzerker]

If 'cancel culture' is bad, what is the remedy?

Accept the reality free speech wont survive cancel culture, 'tolerate' offensive speech... ignore it, change the channel.

Cancel culture is literally just boycotting, which is an act of free speech...

Its economic coercion to silence speech

 

[Berzerker]

Um, "cancelling" a destructive political ideology that intents to undermine the society and arresting criminals isn't comparable to boycotting Chick-fil-A because you don't like an opinion someone in that company has.

I thought the war on drugs was a destructive ideology

 

[BCheek]

I thought the war on drugs was a destructive ideology

There's somewhat of an argument to make there to a limited extent, but that doesn't change the fact that these people still broke the law knowing what the consequences would be. Also the way he states it is if it's was some sort of targeted attack on blacks, that they should somehow be excused for disproportionately breaking the law when the majority of African Americans in prison deserve to be there.

 

[Mouthwash]

Cancel culture is what happens when the Overton Window shifts. We can criticize how this is done, but public shaming, firings, and ostracism were always with us and are just how cultures change. Some people may be outraged because they took the old culture as being a 'deal' that was presented to them to be part of society, with any change to the terms being a renegement, but this is fundamentally narcissistic (although I do sympathize with those who invested their lives in climbing the ladder now under threat of getting kicked off).

I don't know if there is much we can do to "end cancel culture" anything expect wait for it to burn itself out. "Cancel culture" is a moral panic, and these things tend to burn themselves out when their zealots eventually go to far and prompt the reigning institution to bring them to heel. The Red Scare didn't end because of any push-back from its victims, but because McCarthy went after the army and that crossed a line.

I'd call that arbitrary mob rule, not merely cancel culture. The problem isn't from the enforcement of new standards, it's the power bestowed to certain individuals to direct that enforcement.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

One way is to get people to stop reacting to outrage mobs of children in adult bodies in the first place.

The problem isn't some idiots crying on twitter, the problem is that companies will turn around and listen to those dregs over its own employees...sometimes regardless of whether the employee did anything illegal or whether it happened even remotely within the realm of their employment.

Cancel culture ends when this crap stops having effect. I expect we'll eventually see some market corrections regardless, though if companies cite a false reason for termination it could be treated similarly to firing someone over their race/gender/etc, since those are also false reasons in effect. The problem is proving it when they don't give a reason.

 

[REDY]

Cancel culture is literally just boycotting, which is an act of free speech...

I have no problem with boycotting, I have problem with calling the third party and blackmailing it to not publish xy.

If you boycott someone, you ignore his posts. If you cancel culture, you demand from moderators to delete all the posts and ban of the user.

 

[Estebonrober]

Start your own company and don't cave in to any demands.

DONE

This completely works while you are small and niche.

 

[Estebonrober]

Okay.

Try writing coherently next time. When you ramble on in such an unorganized manner, badly stringing together unrelated and irrelevant subjects to the topic people will struggle to understand what it is you're talking about. Perhaps try reading what your just wrote back to yourself before posting. If it doesn't make sense to you, or you have a hard time following your train of thought, you should probably reconsider whatever point it was you were trying to make. Please have some courtesy for the reader.

Hope this helps.

Made sense to me, conservative "cancel culture" explicitly uses the power of the state to violate my constitutional given rights, because American conservatives in the 21st century by nature are hypocritical fundamentally. You and your butt buddy make the point almost daily here.

 

[Estebonrober]

I have no problem with boycotting, I have problem with calling the third party and blackmailing it to not publish xy.

If you boycott someone, you ignore his posts. If you cancel culture, you demand from moderators to delete all the posts of the user and his ban.

Oh thats not right. I've been boycotting Wal-Mart for twenty years and I've been encouraging others to do so the entire time. I want others to cancel Wal Mart.

 

[Berzerker]

There's somewhat of an argument to make there to a limited extent, but that doesn't change the fact that these people still broke the law knowing what the consequences would be. Also the way he states it is if it's was some sort of targeted attack on blacks, that they should somehow be excused for disproportionately breaking the law when the majority of African Americans in prison deserve to be there.

Black people were targeted...are. I dont care if they broke the law, some laws just dont deserve to be obeyed, some even deserve disobedience. I dont see anything in the Constitution giving Congress the power to decide what I can or cant put in my own body, the very notion would have been met with derision by the people who created the country. If they weren't drug dealers they were users, or both.

All drugs were legal and when drug wars did begin a century or more later they were racially motivated. Black people and cocaine, Asians and opium, Mexicans and pot, black people and crack. Well, the women wanted a war on booze and race wasn't the reason. Nobody deserves to be in a cage for using drugs.