How do you end 'cancel culture'?

[Robert Can't]

I don't think we should end cancel culture. Its fun. Getting to call bad powerful people bad - that seems pretty great.

Its also doesn't seem like any of the famous people complaining about cancel culture have really lost anything either.
So either it isn't a problem or it doesn't go far enough.

If we need to break some eggs to make the societal omelette that sign me up because I would love a bit of that omelette of tolerance and equality.

 

[BCheek]

Black people were targeted...are.

So blacks are more likely to be drug users, just like they're more likely to commit murder and violent crimes is that what you're saying?

I dont care if they broke the law, some laws just dont deserve to be obeyed, some even deserve disobedience.

Then you best be prepared to go to jail like they did. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I dont see anything in the Constitution giving Congress the power to decide what I can or cant put in my own body, the very notion would have been met with derision by the people who created the country. If they weren't drug dealers they were users, or both.

An lolbertarian. No one cares about the constitution. It's dead. It's been dead for awhile.

All drugs were legal and when drug wars did begin a century or more later they were racially motivated. Black people and cocaine, Asians and opium, Mexicans and pot, black people and crack. Well, the women wanted a war on booze and race wasn't the reason. Nobody deserves to be in a cage for using drugs.

You wouldn't say that if you ever worked in a hospital and had to deal with violent strung out people the cops drag in high as a kite and drunk out of their minds.

 

[Ajidica]

How do we end 'cancel culture'?
Simplest answer seems to be addressing the underlying social problems so certain people stop thinking saying mean things about them on twitter isn't the end-all be-all.

 

[GenMarshall]

Oh thats not right. I've been boycotting Wal-Mart for twenty years and I've been encouraging others to do so the entire time. I want others to cancel Wal Mart.

Unless something better than Wal-Mart, it's still going to stick around. Though my reasoning for not going to Wal-Mart is more on the lines of "I don't need anything from there right now".

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Black people were targeted...are. I dont care if they broke the law, some laws just dont deserve to be obeyed, some even deserve disobedience. I dont see anything in the Constitution giving Congress the power to decide what I can or cant put in my own body, the very notion would have been met with derision by the people who created the country. If they weren't drug dealers they were users, or both.

All drugs were legal and when drug wars did begin a century or more later they were racially motivated. Black people and cocaine, Asians and opium, Mexicans and pot, black people and crack. Well, the women wanted a war on booze and race wasn't the reason. Nobody deserves to be in a cage for using drugs.

There are significant problems with victimless crimes in general. You can make a case that dealing drugs that can seriously harm or kill people without the requisite warning starts to get into reasonably illegal territory though, especially with lacing involved and such. Similar reasoning for why some things require prescription.

If we need to break some eggs to make the societal omelette that sign me up because I would love a bit of that omelette of tolerance and equality.

All fun and games until someone decides to falsely accuse you and dox you next. Then you get exonerated later after losing your job and a lot of money. Such a great culture, that.

An lolbertarian. No one cares about the constitution. It's dead. It's been dead for awhile.

You don't think that's a serious problem? The McCloskeys were just indicted for holding weapons on their own property as 100's of trespassers who entered their neighborhood violently walked by and allegedly shouted threats at them. On a law that is in flagrant violation of both 2nd and 5th amendment rights.

Granted, I expect this to get thrown out for the joke it is before a pardon becomes necessary given that it's malicious prosecution (the woman's gun actually wasn't operable, which is a requirement per the statute in question, but the prosecution reassembled it and the charged it as operable...), but this is the kind of crap we get when we stop caring about the constitution. I'm all for getting rid of arbitrary/victimless crime laws to be consistent with that principle.

Fake news claiming these were peaceful protestors in the story is a nice touch.

 

[BCheek]

You don't think that's a serious problem?

Oh it is, but nothing short of a revolution is going to fix it and if that were to happen, afterwards the constitution likely wouldn't be the same, or have the same legal interpretation anyway. The bigger issue is reigning in these destructive and subversive lunatics, but that's also not something that easily solvable.

 

[Kaitzilla]

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Granted, I expect this to get thrown out for the joke it is before a pardon becomes necessary given that it's malicious prosecution (the woman's gun actually wasn't operable, which is a requirement per the statute in question, but the prosecution reassembled it and the charged it as operable...), but this is the kind of crap we get when we stop caring about the constitution. I'm all for getting rid of arbitrary/victimless crime laws to be consistent with that principle...

I guess that explains why she was pointing the gun at people.
It was a dud.


Is the prosecution allowed to do that?
Maybe they are going to argue she modified it after the confrontation.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Cancel culture was popularized by the left and now that it's being done to them they don't like it and it should stop, lol.
How do conservatives square that belief? If someone is attacking you, you only put up with it for so long until you punch back.
If you can't take it then don't dish it out lefties.

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project <----- we are here now

God forbid if Twitter were to fact check conservatives and put up a disclaimer, or remove dangerous information encouraging the spreading of Corna.
But please set yourself on fire in Trumpland, and remember to inject disinfectant if you get corna.

 

[Robert Can't]

All fun and games until someone decides to falsely accuse you and dox you next. Then you get exonerated later after losing your job and a lot of money. Such a great culture, that.

If I am the problem with society I'm happy to step outside for a while. But hey, I don't think its the woke mob that I need to worry about on that front.

Meanwhile awful people are getting away with awful things and nothing will happen unless people speak out. And nobody will hear that speaking out unless other people help hold each other up.
I will shed no tears over horrible people losing their jobs. We shouldn't be expected to share our workplaces with that sort of person

 

[Ajidica]

I will shed no tears over horrible people losing their jobs.

Surely though there is a spectrum of appropriateness; posting something stupid and offensive on twitter is a far cry from Seig Heiling your way down the street or going on nighttime tiki-torch marches surrounded by flags with the hakenkreuz or Black Sun rune.

 

[BCheek]

Gaslight
Obstruct
Project <----- we are here now

God forbid if Twitter were to fact check conservatives and put up a disclaimer, or remove dangerous information encouraging the spreading of Corna.
But please set yourself on fire in Trumpland, and remember to inject disinfectant if you get corna.

And to think 2008-2016 you were all riding so high and mighty.

Oh how things have changed... lol.

 

[Narz]

don't have to end it, it's just a fad, eventually people will get bored of being lil b****es

 

[Robert Can't]

Surely though there is a spectrum of appropriateness; posting something stupid and offensive on twitter is a far cry from Seig Heiling your way down the street or going on nighttime tiki-torch marches surrounded by flags with the hakenkreuz or Black Sun rune.

Apologies exist and if it was something done stupidly on twitter then apologising and explaining why one was wrong about it is enough. So really those sorts of things shouldn't be a problem.

And if someone is unapologetically racist then they are unapologetically racist. Not much I want to do to help that kind of person.

 

[Estebonrober]

So blacks are more likely to be drug users, just like they're more likely to commit murder and violent crimes is that what you're saying?


Then you best be prepared to go to jail like they did. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.


An lolbertarian. No one cares about the constitution. It's dead. It's been dead for awhile.


You wouldn't say that if you ever worked in a hospital and had to deal with violent strung out people the cops drag in high as a kite and drunk out of their minds.

I work in a hospital. If you believe these things you are unfit to work in a hospital.

 

[BCheek]

I work in a hospital. If you believe these things you are unfit to work in a hospital.

The people that come in violent, yelling, handcuffed to a gurney, pantyhose over the head for the spitters. Do you invite them to room with you for the night? Or do they go back to the police station to sit in a cage until they're able to be civilized?

 

[TheMeInTeam]

I guess that explains why she was pointing the gun at people.
It was a dud.


Is the prosecution allowed to do that?
Maybe they are going to argue she modified it after the confrontation.

The gun was confiscated, deemed inoperable, disassembled, then reassembled as operable. Then she was charged. No, that isn't allowed, and it will significantly strengthen a case of malicious prosecution. If they further lie about it despite what is already known it will only get worse.

Meanwhile awful people are getting away with awful things and nothing will happen unless people speak out. And nobody will hear that speaking out unless other people help hold each other up.

I will shed no tears over horrible people losing their jobs. We shouldn't be expected to share our workplaces with that sort of person

Well, since you're a horrible person by the standards you've given for this practice so far don't let the door hit you on the way out I guess .

And that's why we DO need standards. Punishing people for non-crimes committed away from the workplace in a non-work capacity is a joke, and its impact isn't funny. Firing someone for making the claim "all lives matter" when explicitly asked about it is a joke.

 

[Ajidica]

Apologies exist and if it was something done stupidly on twitter then apologising and explaining why one was wrong about it is enough. So really those sorts of things shouldn't be a problem.

So, what then? A person gives a performative apology and then what? Is there an Apology Inquisitor that monitors them to determine if it was a true apology and punishes them if it isn't?

 

[Robert Can't]

People can use their own judgement. We aren't stupid.

 

[Estebonrober]

The people that come in violent, yelling, handcuffed to a gurney, pantyhose over the head for the spitters. Do you invite them to room with you for the night? Or do they go back to the police station to sit in a cage until they're able to be civilized?

There is nothing good, funny, or deserving of mockery and derisions when someone is mentally ill or addicted to drugs and fit for confinement. It is always sad. I have had to defend myself from people like this in my job and it is not fun. My anger usually gets up when it happens but it does not justify your vitriolic judgement or attitude, but of course you seem to do this at the slightest pretense. I suggest therapy for your anger issues.

 

[Estebonrober]

So, what then? A person gives a performative apology and then what? Is there an Apology Inquisitor that monitors them to determine if it was a true apology and punishes them if it isn't?

I feel like the default should be to accept apologies until proven otherwise.