How does the pope get authority?

Stylesjl

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As in where does it say in the scriptures or bible that the pope is a high authority of the church? I'm only refferring to Catholicism here :p

I'm not asking how the pope is selected i'm asking how the title and authority of pope came into being
 
Stylesjl said:
I'm not asking how the pope is selected i'm asking how the title and authority of pope came into being

A little History.

The cannonisation of law, the creation of Codex vaticanus, church and state power, taxes and whealth.

Lets go first:
Cannonisation of law. basicly the christian faith was fragment as well as serious differences in belief were "definded" and "offical" in the first eccemenical councile passing the nisinian decree in 325AD, making christainity the state religon (think civ IV)
latter councile i.e the 5th definied iconist (crisis) laws for statues, icons, painting and so forth as well as the cross becoming to offical symbol of christanity

Codec vaticanus was the first offical state bible, part of the decree in which the faith was defined. example would be declaring the bible as "closed" no additional text would be added. Thus cementing the Authoruity of the church, as certain belief were declared "heretic" and state santioned "inquisition"

Church and state were as one. Remember this is the roman empire where religon and state were very very close. One could hold a state title such as a general and also be a priest or high ranking religous offical. pagan followers were as such denied offical placement in the government. thus the authority of the church would be enforced by the state

Whealth and taxes. Pretty ovious here.
Money = power and the church had become both wealthy and powerful in this sense. The church would and could buy land, estates and business thus creating a powerful economic enity.

IIRC it was empoeror Jusiatine whom first tapped into church money to finance the Byaztine military and help revive the empire.

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We could go onto such things as papual armies, crusades, divine authority, how religon expanded and so on.
but I think you get the idea.
 
Jesus said to Peter "You are the rock on which I will build my church". The Popes inherit their authority from Peter.
 
Stylesjl said:
As in where does it say in the scriptures or bible that the pope is a high authority of the church? I'm only refferring to Catholicism here :p

I'm not asking how the pope is selected i'm asking how the title and authority of pope came into being
The word Pope comes originally from the Greek word for Bishop or father of a congregation i.e. papas. Similarly the title Pontiff or Pontifex Maximus (Keeper of Bridges) was appropriated from the old Pagan title for the High Priest of Rome.

If you are truly interested in Church history, I suggest you try some Henry Chadwick.
 
Erik Mesoy said:
Jesus said to Peter "You are the rock on which I will build my church". The Popes inherit their authority from Peter.
In which case the Vatican should have been built upon the catacombs of San Sebastiano ;)
 
Its being mailed to him by God every morning...
 
Erik Mesoy said:
Jesus said to Peter "You are the rock on which I will build my church". The Popes inherit their authority from Peter.

More like Paul (a far far more important figure shapping the christain church / faith) then the orginal apostles.
heck if we followed mattew, john we could observe ALL jewish old testerment rituals and theologies.
 
it's odvious how the pope gets authoritythe billion or two catholics:crazyeye:
 
FriendlyFire said:
More like Paul (a far far more important figure shapping the christain church / faith) then the orginal apostles.
heck if we followed mattew, john we could observe ALL jewish old testerment rituals and theologies.
....more like Papal authority was an invention of circumstance, mainly by Pope Gregory, due to the lack of any singular authority in the Latin West with which the eastern Emperor could communicate. The accumulation of Papal authority has nothing to do with any sort of divine direction.
 
Isn't there a certain shawl or something the latest popes haven't worn that prove that they aren't legitimate popes? :)
 
The power of a title of such as the Pope, exist only if it is recognised by the people. All power descend from the people of course, but the Pope is more precarious, since he has no avenues to maintain his status if the people doesn't support him. No military, no business, no secular authority. If the people decide not to recognise him, even the countries in the World will drop him like a hot potato,
 
The assumption, of course, is that the popes get their authority from Peter, who got it from Christ. Now there is no historical evidence, as far as I know, that Peter considered himself a pope or that there is a line of authority from Peter to the popes who came later. Certainly if Catholics believe that it happened, that's fine, but it would take more to convince me.
 
Erik Mesoy said:
Jesus said to Peter "You are the rock on which I will build my church". The Popes inherit their authority from Peter.
No it does not. here is the actuall passage that youare referring to.
Matthew 16:18,19 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

The passage say that he will build his church upon a rock. Peter doesnot mean rock, but pebble or little stone, not really something to build upon. Also, I have to ask this question then, where are the keys to the kingdom of heaven then?
 
Also, the thing to remember about the rock comment is that it only works as a reference to Peter's nickname (he was Simon, originally) in Greek, whereas Jesus would have been speaking to him in Aramaic.
 
Pebble really?, I suppose latin gets the word rock from pebble in greek then
petra = piedra (rock) :confused: :confused: :confused: sounds that way maybe it's why I and other latin language speakers assumed that.
petra (the name) = pedro =
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
Also, the thing to remember about the rock comment is that it only works as a reference to Peter's nickname (he was Simon, originally) in Greek, whereas Jesus would have been speaking to him in Aramaic.
disreagurd my post directly below yours and let me add :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: and :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
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