★ ★ for me, since my computer most certainly wouldn't be able to run it at all, and I probably wouldn't have the money to spend on it. The whole Steam/Babylonian thing troubles me, but wouldn't stop me from buying and playing the game.
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I only see boxes, not stars 
It's IMO hard to be excited at this point about a game we know very very little about. I am hopeful Civ5 will be a great game, don't get me wrong, but how much yet is there to be excited about? Mandatory Steam? <- That seems to be the last major announcement and they (Firaxis and Take Two) have left us contemplating that for more than a month. It's as if they're actually trying to dampen any excitement at the moment, possibly as part of their grand strategy.
It's IMO hard to be excited at this point about a game we know very very little about. I am hopeful Civ5 will be a great game, don't get me wrong, but how much yet is there to be excited about? Mandatory Steam? <- That seems to be the last major announcement and they (Firaxis and Take Two) have left us contemplating that for more than a month. It's as if they're actually trying to dampen any excitement at the moment, possibly as part of their grand strategy.
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I was VERY excited about Civ5. Outta the blue came the news that it was coming out this fall;
for weeks it was on my mind. Multiple times each day I checked CFC for new teaser tidbits.
But then came the news about Steam. I knew little of it so I began researching. From that point on, my
enthusiasm for Civ5 has steadily declined. I think it's hit rock bottom now. I feel a bit sick over it all.
Civ is dead, long live Civ!
I hope the folks over at Stardock pick up the players that 2k has turned their back on. They seem to be a company I can get behind. A company I can show some true brand loyalty to. Even Craftsman and Maytag suck nowadays. RubberMaid is about the only company that comes to mind when I think of trust and quality. There's gotta be a few more good guys left.
Maybe I should place an ad on CraigsList...
for weeks it was on my mind. Multiple times each day I checked CFC for new teaser tidbits.
But then came the news about Steam. I knew little of it so I began researching. From that point on, my
enthusiasm for Civ5 has steadily declined. I think it's hit rock bottom now. I feel a bit sick over it all.
Civ is dead, long live Civ!
I hope the folks over at Stardock pick up the players that 2k has turned their back on. They seem to be a company I can get behind. A company I can show some true brand loyalty to. Even Craftsman and Maytag suck nowadays. RubberMaid is about the only company that comes to mind when I think of trust and quality. There's gotta be a few more good guys left.
Maybe I should place an ad on CraigsList...
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You might be in luck! Blizzard may call you on your offer!
May 27, 2010
Blizzard: DRM is a waste of everyones time
http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/27/blizzard-drm-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/
(Seems the interviewer may have gotten the wording wrong in that last sentence!)http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/27/blizzard-drm-is-a-waste-of-everyones-time/ said:
I will support Blizzard and Starcraft II in their stance on this, and I hope others follow! This is a chance to speak out against mommy-state servers keeping tabs on your authentication status. You do need to online activate once (which I was / am not completely for whatsoever), but after that, they don't do anything at all, like forcing updates, phoning home, requiring other software, data-mining demographics, auto-updating your drivers, locking your account because of other exe files on your system, etc.
Everyone should make Starcraft 2 an example of why DRM is broken and pick the game up ! Not let it become the most pirated game ever.
http://www.videogamer.com/news/blizzard_drm_a_losing_battle.html
Finrin
Chieftain
5 stars ofcourse, most of the new features look good.
About steam, ill just be geting my self a false name, no law against that
About steam, ill just be geting my self a false name, no law against that
Betonov
Chieftain
4 stars, pretty excited but not loosing sleep over it. Plus I may take a 7 month tour with a freighter so I'll miss the release date, being too anxius will ruin the experience
eireksten
Protective/Organized
Three stars. Was at 5 stars, but the excitement has faded. The lack of new information probably has something to do with it.
Zhahz
PC Gamer
3 stars.
The lead designer seems a little focused on war gaming and that concerns me as a builder - I don't want to see the overall flavor and well-roundedness of Civ change, although I do like hexes and 1UPT in theory. I'm only mildly concerned since altering the civ formula to make yet another generic war game would be kinda silly.
I'm not thrilled about the game being so heavily bound to Steam. I think it's a bad move overall that wasn't necessary. One of the great things about Civ has always been how it's been open and giving back to the fans that have rabidly supported it for years. This is a move in the wrong direction that stinks heavily of corporate greed.
The lead designer seems a little focused on war gaming and that concerns me as a builder - I don't want to see the overall flavor and well-roundedness of Civ change, although I do like hexes and 1UPT in theory. I'm only mildly concerned since altering the civ formula to make yet another generic war game would be kinda silly.
I'm not thrilled about the game being so heavily bound to Steam. I think it's a bad move overall that wasn't necessary. One of the great things about Civ has always been how it's been open and giving back to the fans that have rabidly supported it for years. This is a move in the wrong direction that stinks heavily of corporate greed.
4 stars until I saw it was Steamworks integrated, then a 5. I play all my PC games through Steam, wouldn't have it any other way to stay connected to my friends and the community.
Funny how most Steam haters are either middle aged, conservative or non-gamers in general (and stick to a few niche games).
Funny how most Steam haters are either middle aged, conservative or non-gamers in general (and stick to a few niche games).
I'm confused, is the definition of a gamer more dependent on how often or how long one plays games or rather how many games one owns?
For example, many people who play flight sims (I own a couple such games) spend a lot of time in those games yet flight simmers tend to not go into other genres much. If a flight sim was released with Steamworks, I doubt it would be very popular.
In response to Kaelic's post, I would say the Steam "enjoyers" tend to be the people who buy games regularly. That's not a bad thing, but it does make sense given a lot of the advantages of Steam (having games in one menu, one account etc.). Hypothetically if I only owned and played five games at all, and one of them was on Steam and the other four weren't, I would be more likely to view Steam as a nuisance than a nice thing.
Could it be that many civfanatics play relatively few games (or 'title's as publishers call them) and hence are more likely (than the general "gamer" population) to fall into the camp of those who don't want Steam?
For example, many people who play flight sims (I own a couple such games) spend a lot of time in those games yet flight simmers tend to not go into other genres much. If a flight sim was released with Steamworks, I doubt it would be very popular.
In response to Kaelic's post, I would say the Steam "enjoyers" tend to be the people who buy games regularly. That's not a bad thing, but it does make sense given a lot of the advantages of Steam (having games in one menu, one account etc.). Hypothetically if I only owned and played five games at all, and one of them was on Steam and the other four weren't, I would be more likely to view Steam as a nuisance than a nice thing.
Could it be that many civfanatics play relatively few games (or 'title's as publishers call them) and hence are more likely (than the general "gamer" population) to fall into the camp of those who don't want Steam?
I buy 4 or 5 games a year, if that. I'm 38, not quite middle aged and like steam well enough but with reservations.
I 'know' I'll not be able access any of my games during the release of a massive title so just turn of my router and play off line. It's not ideal but not earth shattering.
I 'know' I'll not be able access any of my games during the release of a massive title so just turn of my router and play off line. It's not ideal but not earth shattering.
Seriously, if you haven't tried Steam, you shouldn't be complaining. People complain about everything, but if you try it out and make an opinion of your own instead of adopting opinions from forums that flame Steam. People never blog or post in forums when everything is working - but once theres an error, they go out in a flaming ball of flamefest.
Akka
Moody old mage.
God, can't you grasp that the very principle of Steam is a no-deal for plenty of people ?
gillen
Chieftain
Steam isn't that big a deal for me. I won't use it much, but I'm not worried about it.
5 stars for me.
5 stars for me.
White Elk
99 > 1
You'll use steam Each and Every time you play a game of Civ5. You first must start Steam, then it scans your system for whatever data they are mining at the time, it checks for and installs any client and game updates, and does whatever else it does. Then you can play Civ5. So steam starts first and if anything should fail, and there are a variety of failure points, you don't play Civ5.Steam isn't that big a deal for me. I won't use it much, but I'm not worried about it.
5 stars for me.
EDIT:
There is a long list of reasons why steam is unacceptable to me. Some relate to security and software reliability; others relate to ownership vs the leasing of software; still others relate to monopolic control (Civ5 can only be bought digitally through steam); data mining; persistent internet validations; theft of steam accounts; etc.
To discover the validity of my concerns I can only read what its users have to say about it. Fanatic fanbois and rampant haters are calculated as being at the extremes of a spectrum. Taking that into consideration, and wading through a number of discussions on the steam forums and on a few fansites for specific games; I do see my concerns validated. The numbers for dissatisfaction appear unusually high to me... across a wide variety of my concerns. And I don't want to support steams business model and thereby be a reason that this model is adopted industry wide. And I don't want to pay for a game with a moderate to high probabilty of sporadically not working due to internet congestion. Its rather silly that a game like Civ should be tied to the internet in the way in which steam does. And I surely don't want some thrid party acting as gatekeeper between me and my games! I despise software piracy, but this whole steam/Civ5 thing is softening my stance.
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