madviking
north american scum
I like Lutheranism for the production bonus and ability to stick to the Papists.
How is your EU3 Game going?
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uat2d
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End of Holy Wars? I thought all Christians had the Holy War casus belli? Granted, I wouldn't have used it much in my Burgundy game when I went Protestant, so maybe I misremembered.
In general, though, I don't think it would usually be worth it to go Protestant in a majority-Catholic country, despite the production bonus. The fact that Protestants have higher stability cost doesn't help. I did so in my Burgundy game mainly because I didn't understand how to avoid excommunication while Catholic, and was sick of Excommunication Wars.
uat2d
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Send gifts to the pope, nobody can excommunicate if you if the Papal States are at >150 relations with you.
A question about the game. I usually play eastern countries with the goal of dominating the world, you know. However I can't get out of red tech level even after westernisation. How can it be done?
By the way i play death and taxes mod. Is it a problem with the mod?
By the way i play death and taxes mod. Is it a problem with the mod?
Mosher
Mushroom dad
Don't blob over uncored, low income provinces and don't use the treasury slider any more than you must.
Heretic_Cata
We're gonna live forever
Here is an update map of my newly formed Spanish empire !
I had to change my gov to an administrative monarchy because my policy sliders were waaay off compared to the empire.
Btw, is changing to a republic good ? I can't really see that many downsides between the gov types.
Also, what annoyed me is why can most countries make colonies and explore lands when they clearly didn't choose quest for the new world as a national idea ???????
Also, i made a trip around the world ... I was hoping that would give me something cool or at least a "good job" message. It was not so.
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I had to change my gov to an administrative monarchy because my policy sliders were waaay off compared to the empire.
Btw, is changing to a republic good ? I can't really see that many downsides between the gov types.
Also, what annoyed me is why can most countries make colonies and explore lands when they clearly didn't choose quest for the new world as a national idea ???????
Also, i made a trip around the world ... I was hoping that would give me something cool or at least a "good job" message. It was not so.
NedimNapoleon
Weird Little Human
Your lack of the crown of Navarre disturbs me.
uat2d
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It depends, I personally favour republics once they're available but some here might disagree.
Monarchies:
+Can form PUs
+Can inherit countries for no infamy (and cores if they're in the same culture group)
+Legitimacy can be maxed and it offers good modifiers
-Can get stuck in regency councils for years
-Can end up with a lousy ruler for decades
-Can get excommunicated
Republics:
+Can change ruler quite regularly
+Isn't at risk of having a 3/3/3
-No PUs and inheritances
-No legitimacy bonuses
IMO, if one isn't cheesing PUs, Republics are much safer because you have much more control on your ruler stats - you can keep the good ones for decades and try again in a couple of years if a poor rulers gets to power.
They might be discovering new territories by themselves if they have QFTNW or the knowledge of the new lands might just be spreading to them (default is 50 years, you can change this in the settings before the game starts).
Alternatively, clear your map cache, it might be that.
Decided to start a death & taxes game, being very original i chose the Byzantine Empire 
Well, i just annexed Bulgaria, with which i was in PU. But the game looks ruined already, due to England, France, and Castille. England is almost GB. France is expanding in Italy and the greedy Castille has lands in Egypt AND is in PU with Serbia.
Btw the Ottomans are a OPM based in Urfa. (the other green is a tripilitanian trebizond...)
Also: Monster Muscovy and Lithuania. At least i have +140 relations with Poland.
Well, i just annexed Bulgaria, with which i was in PU. But the game looks ruined already, due to England, France, and Castille. England is almost GB. France is expanding in Italy and the greedy Castille has lands in Egypt AND is in PU with Serbia.
Btw the Ottomans are a OPM based in Urfa. (the other green is a tripilitanian trebizond...)
Also: Monster Muscovy and Lithuania. At least i have +140 relations with Poland.
Heretic_Cata
We're gonna live forever
That's British Navarre !
Navarre was peacefully annexed early in the game by Aragon. After a few decades Aragon was in a war with the Ottoman Empire (at it's height it was at least 3 times as big as it currently is) and they lost; one of the conditions was the independence of Navarre which immediately allied with the Ottomans. Having lost the war Aragon was ripe for the picking and i invaded without a cassus belli. After decades of on/off wars Aragon was annexed. I tried to peacefully annex Navarre but it was kinds hopeless because of their alliance with the Ottomans. After a few more decades, during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire (which i ignored entirely) the brits come in and take the 2 iberian provinces that were the ottomans. And i'm not fighting the GB since that would be a pointlessly bloody war.
Now that i think about it - i never made war on any muslim nation of any kind ... Only defended against some ottoman attacks once. My beef is with Europe.
Is PU, personal union ? Never did that.
Won't republics have heavy restrictions on the centralisation bar ? It's aaaallll the way to centralised for me
(because of forming Spain).None of them have QFTNW, i checked each of them ! I've never discovered unsettled lands without either explorers/conquistadors OR by having adjacent colonies.
Also, what is the map cache and how do i clear that ? I did find a folder \map\cache but erasing everything there doesn't seem right.
Btw, why is the city pop size cap at 999999 ? That's rather small considering i've already seen 2 cities that reached it (Venice and Nanjing).
Oh and i wanted to ask, what stuff should i build in colonies ? Things that increase base tax prolly wont do much because of that 90% overseas thing, and i didn't build marketplaces and the like because the colonies didn't seem to produce that much stuff.
So, should i just build other things ?
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
Deleting cache: erasing everything in that folder is exactly what you do (DO NOT delete the actual folder, I did this once and had to reinstall)
Alternatively, download MEIOU (the mod); it comes with a spiffy new launcher, that has a "clear cache" button built into it.
Alternatively, download MEIOU (the mod); it comes with a spiffy new launcher, that has a "clear cache" button built into it.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
@Kyriakos: Why would you say this game is ruined?
And is the death and taxes mod any good?
I had a decent Ottomans game going (playing them for the first time) a couple days ago, but my empire totally fell apart shortly after I westernized.. I would post a screenshot, but I'm too hungover to figure out where the screencap files go in windows 7
And is the death and taxes mod any good?
I had a decent Ottomans game going (playing them for the first time) a couple days ago, but my empire totally fell apart shortly after I westernized.. I would post a screenshot, but I'm too hungover to figure out where the screencap files go in windows 7
sophie
Break My Heart
Is PU, personal union ? Never did that.
Won't republics have heavy restrictions on the centralisation bar ? It's aaaallll the way to centralised for me
Yeah, PU is the main draw of running a Monarchy. Basically if you're in a royal marriage with another kingdom who has lower prestige than you and either doesn't have an heir to speak of or an heir with low legitimacy you can select the option "claim throne". You fight a succession war and if you win you have the option to "enforce Personal Union". Now you have a free vassal/ally in war and every time your monarch dies there is a chance you inherit that kingdom, i.e. annex the kingdom in total for 0 infamy and all the provinces are cored.
The only downside to this claim throne mechanic is that when you claim throne all relations with other nations you are in a royal marriage with are lowered. But since you can easily counter this with cash gifts it's essentially a nonfactor, meaning there are no downsides to PU cheesing...unless you don't like cheesing.
It's a bit of a broken mechanic as it can lead to hilarious conclusions in the hands of experienced players, such as one notorious AAR in which a paraforumer played as Bar (arguably the toughest nation in the game) and successfully inherited France, and then Britain, Germany, AND Spain (essentially getting all of Europe cored for no infamy).
SouthernKing
crickety cricket
D&T was good, it makes a ton of improvements over vanilla, including a far superior map, moving the start date back to 1356, more unifications, etc. however, in later versions it has started to suffer speed issues due to the tons of stuff they added, and it now goes up to 1936 for some inexplicable reason. So it's good, but not as good as it once was.
mechaerik
Tuturuu!
I think that 4.x was the last really good D&T.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
Finally got time to post my Byzantine game.
Just completed my 2nd Neapolitan war, which involved, Castille, Papal States, Venice, Genoa, Aragon, England, and Sweden. Took two Castillian provinces in Asia Minor, annexed Naples, kicked England out of Africa (see my lone African province.) and took Venice's island, Corfu as well as forcing Venice to release Crete.
Simply put, I am the biggest and baddest boy on the block, and even Castille will not challenge me when I fought and annexed the Knights and Cyprus after the above war.
Allied with Poland, Muscowy (which is close to being annihilated), Bohemia (my most loyal ally, fought in all of my wars in the last 100 years.), Milan (an alliance of necessity), and Serbia.
Probably will wage another war with Castille to kick them out of Asia Minor and the Middle East then expand in Italy, surround Rome and leave them for when I secure my borders against Milan and clean up Italy.
Just completed my 2nd Neapolitan war, which involved, Castille, Papal States, Venice, Genoa, Aragon, England, and Sweden. Took two Castillian provinces in Asia Minor, annexed Naples, kicked England out of Africa (see my lone African province.) and took Venice's island, Corfu as well as forcing Venice to release Crete.
Simply put, I am the biggest and baddest boy on the block, and even Castille will not challenge me when I fought and annexed the Knights and Cyprus after the above war.
Allied with Poland, Muscowy (which is close to being annihilated), Bohemia (my most loyal ally, fought in all of my wars in the last 100 years.), Milan (an alliance of necessity), and Serbia.
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Probably will wage another war with Castille to kick them out of Asia Minor and the Middle East then expand in Italy, surround Rome and leave them for when I secure my borders against Milan and clean up Italy.
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Excommunication can affect rulers of Republics, too - but since you can switch rulers in 4-8 years, it's less of a big deal.
It seems a bit ruined as a prospect of winning, since already many other key players have strong positions, which will force me to go to wars with little chance of expanding, rather so as to keep others in check. I am not sure if Muscovy will be maintained at this point though. France is bad enough, but at least it is set for a huge war with England. The Castillian posessions in Egypt will be a problem until i build up my navy, and in D&T you have to modernize seperately for each part of the tech tree, which is new to me.
Serbia being in PU with Castille means i have to win decisively over Castille if i am to expand there. Also the next wars should be in Italy, since i have the event that makes that easier... And Asia Minor is still not mine.
Not that bad for a new game after all this time, and with a mod i never played before, but not that great either
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I think you've still got a good chance of success, Kyriakos. Castille will certainly be a thorn, but you appear to have other areas to expand (Saruhan, Candar, Albania, Wallachia, east to Dulkadir, without counting Italy). It looks like going west in North Africa might also be viable and a way to increase the naval support limit. With some additional expansion in the meantime and waiting until they are already in another war, I think you can defeat Castille.
France and Muscowy could be dangerous as well (as could Austria if they win the current war), but that's a problem for the future.
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November, 1451:
My third TSC, and second in a decade, is over, and the damage is not too severe:
Novgorod revolted in the second TSC, but is currently bankrupt, so they will be easy pickings to reconquer, and I'm slowly doing just that. Ansbach and Tyrol revolted during this war. But my troops were already on their doorsteps when they did so, so I expect to reconquer them within a few years.
My plan is still to dismantle the Holy Roman Empire. Once I retake the provinces west of Ansbach from the rebels, that should be easy to do. And then, after peace with Nogai, war exhaustion should start falling - it's 7.5 or so now - and the upheaval of the past two decades shall finally come to an end.
And thankfully, I'm finally starting to gain cores!
Other nations of note:
- The Timurids struggled a bit early on, but now have close to 100,000 troops. They owned Kazakh, and have secured their eastern border entirely, so now they are bringing bad news to the Mamluks, and possibly later the Ottomans. They are my ally, and have provided anti-rebel support, so I am happy about this.
- The Papal States has a lot of land in North Africa. I plan to conquer Italy, and thus exile them there.
- The Ottomans are paying me tribute now, but recently insulted me... I'm hoping they don't declare war, but they're running out of nearby foes.
I think I'm actually in a worse position for westernization than I was at the beginning of the game. That could pose a problem in the future, but no point in worrying about it now.
France and Muscowy could be dangerous as well (as could Austria if they win the current war), but that's a problem for the future.
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November, 1451:
My third TSC, and second in a decade, is over, and the damage is not too severe:
Spoiler :
Novgorod revolted in the second TSC, but is currently bankrupt, so they will be easy pickings to reconquer, and I'm slowly doing just that. Ansbach and Tyrol revolted during this war. But my troops were already on their doorsteps when they did so, so I expect to reconquer them within a few years.
My plan is still to dismantle the Holy Roman Empire. Once I retake the provinces west of Ansbach from the rebels, that should be easy to do. And then, after peace with Nogai, war exhaustion should start falling - it's 7.5 or so now - and the upheaval of the past two decades shall finally come to an end.
And thankfully, I'm finally starting to gain cores!
Other nations of note:
- The Timurids struggled a bit early on, but now have close to 100,000 troops. They owned Kazakh, and have secured their eastern border entirely, so now they are bringing bad news to the Mamluks, and possibly later the Ottomans. They are my ally, and have provided anti-rebel support, so I am happy about this.
- The Papal States has a lot of land in North Africa. I plan to conquer Italy, and thus exile them there.
- The Ottomans are paying me tribute now, but recently insulted me... I'm hoping they don't declare war, but they're running out of nearby foes.
I think I'm actually in a worse position for westernization than I was at the beginning of the game. That could pose a problem in the future, but no point in worrying about it now.
