How many riots does it take...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/01/03/america-s-2014-murder-capital.html

People get so bent out of shape over the death of a drug dealer who let's face it, no one's gonna miss him. There were over 200 other murders in baltimore last year not perpetrated by police. Where's the outcry over those? I don't have stats in front of me but for all police brutality cases in the news, your chances as a black man of being hurt by another black man are drastically higher. Black on black crime is the highest percentage in these areas. People act like the police are a militant faction like isis or something going around raping and pillaging.

When someone gets murdered by a citizen there is a process moving towards justice that most people have quite a bit of faith in and practically everyone has at least some faith in.

When someone dies at the hands of the police most people try not to think about what happens next, but those who do know that there is more likely to be a process moving away from justice than towards it.

That difference is the source of the outrage.
 
When someone gets murdered by a citizen there is a process moving towards justice that most people have quite a bit of faith in and practically everyone has at least some faith in.

When someone dies at the hands of the police most people try not to think about what happens next, but those who do know that there is more likely to be a process moving away from justice than towards it.

That difference is the source of the outrage.

The officers were suspended and there will be an investigation. You're already automatically assuming that the police in that case did something wrong and will get off the hook for it.

But my point still stands, black on black crime, no one gives a crap, let em kill each other mentality. But as soon as a white cop accidentally kills a scumbag they all become victims of the system. That needs to be addressed more so than a few police brutality cases. I have no answers here, as I'm not part of these communities. All I'm saying is change has to come from within these communities (and maybe they need some outside empowerment and help and aid) and then maybe the cops won't be all over your nuts in the first place.
 
Or maybe the cops shouldn't think that black lives are inherently worth less than white one's
 
The officers were suspended and there will be an investigation. You're already automatically assuming that the police in that case did something wrong and will get off the hook for it.

No, I'm making no assumption at all regarding the case. I'm saying that there is no widespread confidence that the police will police themselves. Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but there is no particular reason to think that they will, based on previous events.
 
I don't know. When are people going to stop sympathizing with local thugs who get killed by the police?

did you see the video where the guy was shot several times in the back and then had a taser planted on him?

good to know that you forfeit your life once you cross this magical "thug" barrier too.
 
did you see the video where the guy was shot several times in the back and then had a taser planted on him?

good to know that you forfeit your life once you cross this magical "thug" barrier too.

Only good people should survive experiences with cops

Which is why adam lanza and jared loughner survived
 
Yawn. Black man killed by Police. Blacks riot and loot stores with smiles on their faces.
Oh, gross. Do you even know how racist this sounds? (If you did, would you even care?)

You can have your little cult of property without all this "wetch eht f' th' blecks" stuff, Jesus.
 
Martin Luther King, Jr. on the 1967 Detroit riot:

I am aware that there are many who wince at a distinction between property and persons—who hold both sacrosanct. My views are not so rigid. A life is sacred. Property is intended to serve life, and no matter how much we surround it with rights and respect, it has no personal being. It is part of the earth man walks on; it is not man.

The focus on property in the 1967 riots is not accidental. It has a message; it is saying something.

If hostility to whites were ever going to dominate a Negro’s attitude and reach murderous proportions, surely it would be during a riot. But this rare opportunity for bloodletting was sublimated into arson, or turned into a kind of stormy carnival of free-merchandise distribution. Why did the rioters avoid personal attacks? The explanation cannot be fear of retribution, because the physical risks incurred in the attacks on property were no less than for personal assaults. The military forces were treating acts of petty larceny as equal to murder. Far more rioters took chances with their own lives, in their attacks on property, than threatened the life of anyone else. Why were they so violent with property then? Because property represents the white power structure, which they were attacking and trying to destroy.

(...)

A deeper level of hostility came out in arson, which was far more dangerous than the looting. But it, too, was a demonstration and a warning. It was designed to express the depth of anger in the community.”

Something to think about.
 
Martin Luther King, Jr. on the 1967 Detroit riot:



Something to think about.

Definitely. Some perspective wouldn't go amiss. The black persons killed recently aren't unique events. It's part of a long string of events, that have so far largely gone unpunished. Which is why people have finally had enough, and are protesting. One can deal with the underlying reasons for said protests, or howl about property damage, throw people in jail, and change nothing.

Repeat in a few weeks/months/years.
 
Oh, gross. Do you even know how racist this sounds? (If you did, would you even care?)

You can have your little cult of property without all this "wetch eht f' th' blecks" stuff, Jesus.

A building has more humanity than a black person does, apparently according to some people on here
 
You're already automatically assuming that the police in that case did something wrong and will get off the hook for it.

Given how frequently that seems to happen in the U.S., I'm not surprised that people are jumping to that conclusion.
 
A building has more humanity than a black person does, apparently according to some people on here

The Flatiron Building has more personality than Kim Kardashian.
 
Definitely. Some perspective wouldn't go amiss. The black persons killed recently aren't unique events. It's part of a long string of events, that have so far largely gone unpunished. Which is why people have finally had enough, and are protesting. One can deal with the underlying reasons for said protests, or howl about property damage, throw people in jail, and change nothing.

Repeat in a few weeks/months/years.

This has been true, because what there has been is protests. Which is why there are now riots. The question is whether in the face of riots the changing nothing approach continues. Because if it does the next round of riots will be different. Baltimore already has a much different feel than StLouis.

If something jumps off in one of the big cities I suspect the people saying "if it's the cops they are mad at they should be attacking cops, not stores" might wish they were less prophetic. Gangs in LA are well armed, and led by veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan. If something jumps off here I predict a bloodbath.
 
Here is a letter from Frank Jackson, the mayor of Cleveland, OH, that I think was published this morning:

Spoiler :
Frank G. Jackson said:
In the wake of the tragic events that unfolded in Baltimore, and bearing in mind the series of police-related matters and legal proceedings currently in process here in Cleveland, I am writing to let you know that the City of Cleveland has been planning and is prepared to address upcoming developments.

As I am sure you are aware, it is likely that the trial of Officer Michael Brelo will conclude within the next few days. Other high-profile cases are still pending, as well as continued negotiations with the Department of Justice.

Clearly, these are very complex situations that affect people at every level in our community. We are focused on how best to create a sense of safety, trust and confidence in our community, while empowering our police to enforce the law and maintain order.

We are planning for a variety of contingencies and are being very proactive in both communication and outreach. We are partnering with community and faith-based leaders, corporate entities and individuals to foster an environment that informs audiences about the changes taking place, while recognizing the importance of listening and engaging with all parties involved. We all have a shared responsibility for maintaining peace and order moving forward.

More than ever, let us work together to ensure that Cleveland is a community where all citizens receive the respect they expect and deserve.

Sincerely,

Frank G. Jackson
Mayor

The event referenced here is the looming verdict in the trial of Michael Brelo, a Cleveland police officer charged with voluntary manslaughter in the deaths of Timothy Russel and Malissa Williams. The unarmed couple led police on a vehicle chase in November 2012, and were shot 23 and 24 times by multiple officers. 137 rounds were fired in all, and as many as 75 officers were investigated for misconduct. Brelo's is at least the first criminal trial; I don't know where any others may stand.
 
So, Cleveland looks to be next.
It was in Cleveland last November that a 12-year-old kid with a pellet gun was gunned down by a police officer who had previously been let go by a nearby department for "a pattern of lack of maturity, indiscretion and not following instructions." The 911 caller who reported the boy is on the recording as stating that the gun was probably not real, and the police department admitted later that the officer's previous employers were not contacted before he was hired.

In December, the Justice Department released the results of a 2-year investigation of Cleveland PD spurred by the 'Bonnie & Clyde'-style shooting of Russell and Williams, that found that Cleveland's police "have been using unnecessary and unreasonable force at a 'significant rate,' employing 'dangerous tactics' that put the community at risk" and "that Cleveland police use guns, Tasers, pepper spray and their fists excessively, unnecessarily or in retaliation." Just as an example, during the chase after Russell & Williams, one officer was doing 100mph through a residential neighborhood after being ordered to stop. He was just one of 63 officers suspended after living out his real-life action-movie fantasies.
 
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