how should the US treat illegals

[skadistic]

Jesus doesn't dictate our laws. So he wouldn't do a thing.

He'd probaly feed them some fish and bread with wine then tell them that breaking laws is bad mmmmmkay. Then he'd walk them back home.

 

[skadistic]

It's to our own advantage, what more do we have to lose?

Either way be pay...

Alot. Lets ay we stimulate the economy by sending factory jobs to Mexico.....wait we tried that already and it didn't work. Lets say we help with its oil inferstructer....nope that didn't work either. Mexico needs solid reform from the top down. It has an economy that can do well once the rampid corruption is gone.

 

[Elrohir]

just thought but, how do you think the US should treat the millions of illeagals that enter this nation every year from Mexico and Cuba.

Why no middle ground? Deport everyone with a felony record either here, or in their country of origin. Make them all part of a program that allows them to register with the possibility of citizenship, but requires them to learn to read, write, and speak English, hold a regular job, and report to a designated official on a regular basis. Not doing any of those things results in immediate deportation. Tighten the border, so that almost no one can get here illegally, but make it easier to get here legally. Anyone either in this naturalization program or caught outside of it that is convicted of a felony is, after their term is served, is immediately deported without chance of appeal. Failure to register with this program within 60 days of it's enaction or your entry into the US results in immediate, non-appealable deportation.

 

[Trajan12]

He'd probaly feed them some fish and bread with wine then tell them that breaking laws is bad mmmmmkay. Then he'd walk them back home.

Of course he'll have to part the Rio Grande to help them get away from the traffickers..

Originally Posted by Elrohir
Why no middle ground? Deport everyone with a felony record either here, or in their country of origin. Make them all part of a program that allows them to register with the possibility of citizenship, but requires them to learn to read, write, and speak English, hold a regular job, and report to a designated official on a regular basis. Not doing any of those things results in immediate deportation. Tighten the border, so that almost no one can get here illegally, but make it easier to get here legally. Anyone either in this naturalization program or caught outside of it that is convicted of a felony is, after their term is served, is immediately deported without chance of appeal. Failure to register with this program within 60 days of it's enaction or your entry into the US results in immediate, non-appealable deportation.

Something like this would work out way better than just, "Ahh what the hell let everyone stay!"

 

[Xanikk999]

There wouldnt be so many illegals if we actually gave them a chance to come here legally.

I hope you guys saying to deport them realize that.

 

[kulade]

Alot. Lets ay we stimulate the economy by sending factory jobs to Mexico.....wait we tried that already and it didn't work. Lets say we help with its oil inferstructer....nope that didn't work either. Mexico needs solid reform from the top down. It has an economy that can do well once the rampid corruption is gone.

Well, weed out the corruption...

All I'm saying is we can't just build a Great Wall and keep them out indiffidently. In a sense of "Don't swamp the mosquitoes, drain the swamp." If we don't do something on their side of the border we will be swatting them away for generations to come...

 

[skadistic]

There wouldnt be so many illegals if we actually gave them a chance to come here legally.

I hope you guys saying to deport them realize that.

We do give them a chance to come legaly but we can't take them all at once. You do relize that right? No one is forcing them to to be criminals they chose to enter and stay illegaly breaking a whole host of laws. They didn't have to.

 

[Xanikk999]

We do give them a chance to come legaly but we can't take them all at once. You do relize that right? No one is forcing them to to be criminals they chose to enter and stay illegaly breaking a whole host of laws. They didn't have to.

Ask yourself that to those poor people from mexico who cant even find a job or support thier family.

Do you think they choose to break the law because they want to? No, its because the other alternative is to have a lot of money and time. The process takes years.

Not only that many people cant afford the plane ticket.

 

[Chunes]

Let them stay.

 

[Trajan12]

Well, weed out the corruption...

Then we're right back to being imperialist pigs who should mind our own business..Aside from that stabilizing Mexico's government is not our job. If Mexicans are so desperate one would think they would want to do this and I hope they do and get crackin' on it.

 

[skadistic]

Well, weed out the corruption...

All I'm saying is we can't just build a Great Wall and keep them out indiffidently. In a sense of "Don't swamp the mosquitoes, drain the swamp." If we don't do something on their side of the border we will be swatting them away for generations to come...

We try every year to do something on their side but the Mexicans don't do for them selves. Why is it up to us to keep spending $ on them to improve their situation? The Mexicans (and others) need to fix the problems they are running from instead of creating more hear.

 

[kulade]

Ask yourself that to those poor people from mexico who cant even find a job or support thier family.

Do you think they choose to break the law because they want to? No, its because the other alternative is to have a lot of money and time. The process takes years.

Not only that many people cant afford the plane ticket.

That's a very nice sentiment yet the United States cannot provide viable infrastructure for all the poor of the world.

Even Latin America is growing a over 30millish a year, and just because they are poor and suffering doesn't mean we should or even can help them.

 

[El_Machinae]

We try every year to do something on their side but the Mexicans don't do for them selves. Why is it up to us to keep spending $ on them to improve their situation? The Mexicans (and others) need to fix the problems they are running from instead of creating more hear.

In a simple sense, it's worth some investment money (though how much is certainly debatable). A stable Mexican economy would be very useful to the USA.

 

[kulade]

We try every year to do something on their side but the Mexicans don't do for them selves. Why is it up to us to keep spending $ on them to improve their situation? The Mexicans (and others) need to fix the problems they are running from instead of creating more hear.

Yes but the point is either way will must pay the price for Mexico's emigrants. Why not make it a permanent solution? Indeed Mexico is Mexico's and only Mexico's business, yet if we can put some money where it can benefit us both mutually we can get something done.

 

[skadistic]

Do you think they choose to break the law because they want to?

No, its because the other alternative is to have a lot of money and time. The process takes years.

I know it was a chose to enter illegaly. They chose to enter they even paid alot of money to get to the boarder and beyond. Do you thing coyotes are free and smuggle people because they are humanitarians? No matter how you try to cut it the fact remains that no one is forced to be an illegal they all chose to break the laws.

I live with a legal resident working on her citizenship so I know exactly what it takes to do it legaly.

 

[kulade]

Then we're right back to being imperialist pigs who should mind our own business..Aside from that stabilizing Mexico's government is not our job. If Mexicans are so desperate one would think they would want to do this and I hope they do and get crackin' on it.

I wouldn't say we would be imperialist, as long as we reap mutualistic benefits will Mexico. I am against foreign intervention as any one else, bu they are our neighbor and our futures are intertwined no matter how we like it.

 

[skadistic]

Yes but the point is either way will must pay the price for Mexico's emigrants. Why not make it a permanent solution? Indeed Mexico is Mexico's and only Mexico's business, yet if we can put some money where it can benefit us both mutually we can get something done.

Thats just it we have spent tonnes of money in Mexico but it does nothing. We sent our automotive industry down there along with other factory jobs. Sure it saved us some money but it also gave jobs to Mexicans. We got no releife in return. Mexicos 3rd largest industry is American dollars being sent back to Mexico from America. With all that money going in why spend more when it won't do any good?

There is a saying that "Its better to be poor in America then rich in <insert country here>"

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

There is a saying that "Its better to be poor in America then rich in <insert country here>"

yeah, which is why the Mexicans keep coming.

 

[Trajan12]

I wouldn't say we would be imperialist, as long as we reap mutualistic benefits will Mexico. I am against foreign intervention as any one else, bu they are our neighbor and our futures are intertwined no matter how we like it.

I wouldn't say we would be either. But with current Latin American political trends no one would like us intervening in Mexican poilitics too much. They would see us as trying to control everything and then we'll get all kinds of trouble out of it. Whatever change has to come from Mexico. If they actually try to get a competent government up I'd support them 100%.

 

[kulade]

Thats just it we have spent tonnes of money in Mexico but it does nothing. We sent our automotive industry down there along with other factory jobs. Sure it saved us some money but it also gave jobs to Mexicans. We got no releife in return. Mexicos 3rd largest industry is American dollars being sent back to Mexico from America. With all that money going in why spend more when it won't do any good?

There is a saying that "Its better to be poor in America then rich in <insert country here>"

Oh well, sorry. I guess I was expect to much of a magical every-one-gets-along solution... ...we're just all stuck here I guess. You win.