how should the US treat illegals

[downtown]

The culture shifts your talking about also, are not shifts but more along the lines of idealism. .

I'm talking about when the great immigration peirods were in this country.

 

[JohnRM]

If you go to a country where to get things done, people go through informal channels and rely on a network of extended familie(..)

Apparently someone disregarded my, "make a distinction between the city culture and what American culture, more and more, is becoming 'what used to be.", statement. Good job F-tard!

 

[JohnRM]

Uh, these are basic violations of human rights.

First, if a business owner feels his business will be better served by putting signs up in Spanish, and you feel that's wrong, you and your government can sod off.

Second, if the person in question cannot understand English, refusing him a translator is something the Nazis would have done. You're denying him due process, and every other human right in the book.

It is government signs, not signs for private businesses. Get a clue.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Between these posts and your post in the suicide thread, are you trying to get banned, John?

 

[JohnRM]

Between these posts and your post in the suicide thread, are you trying to get banned, John?

I wouldn't say that I am trying to get banned, but I really don't care if that is what ends up happening. I have my opinions and if they so conflict with what the staff of CFC finds acceptable, they can let me know and I'll be on my way, but I just don't have the patience for people like you who can't read someone's entire statement and think about it before you respond. You just have what you want to say and wait for your turn to speak rather than actually taking part in a conversation. I don't mind berating you for it.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Well, in that case I'm confused. Right now I'm trying to figure out whether you're a human being, or an algorithm specifically designed to be completely devoid of any intelligence. If you went back and tried to learn English, you might be able to read the part of your post where you made the assertion that American culture "has a long and storied condition of self reliance," and before that you said "one has to make a distinction between the city culture and what American culture, more and more, is becoming 'what used to be.'" at least very strongly implying that "traditional American culture" is what you meant when you said "what used to be," as if "traditional American culture" is being phased out somehow, a statement I'd love to see proven. I don't see how my post is not relevant, other cultures are far more hardworking and self reliant in nature than American "culture" used to be currently is, or ever will be, if you can call paving over grasslands and replacing them with Wal-Marts culture.

I mean, to me it's just that someone with any intelligence would know that. But that's just me.

 

[Mark1031]

Give them back pay and benifits that they've been screwed out of and throw their employers in jail.

 

[JohnRM]

Well, in that case I'm confused. Right now I'm trying to figure out whether you're a human being, or an algorithm specifically designed to be completely devoid of any intelligence. If you went back and tried to learn English, you might be able to read the part of your post where you made the assertion that American culture "has a long and storied condition of self reliance," and before that you said "one has to make a distinction between the city culture and what American culture, more and more, is becoming 'what used to be.'" at least very strongly implying that "traditional American culture" is what you meant when you said "what used to be," as if "traditional American culture" is being phased out somehow, a statement I'd love to see proven. I don't see how my post is not relevant, other cultures are far more hardworking and self reliant in nature than American "culture" used to be currently is, or ever will be, if you can call paving over grasslands and replacing them with Wal-Marts culture.

I mean, to me it's just that someone with any intelligence would know that. But that's just me.

You have missed the point entirely.

Daniel Boone and David Crocket didn't pave away grasslands to make way for Wal-Marts.

 

[skadistic]

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I mean, to me it's just that someone with any intelligence would know that. But that's just me.

Considering how you praise the NK government..............

 

[Left]

Apparently someone disregarded my, "make a distinction between the city culture and what American culture, more and more, is becoming 'what used to be.", statement. Good job F-tard!

On what do you most base your respect for others?

Other - Manners

However, since I did not have that option, I voted "Level of Education".

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5291330#post5291330

I don't get it.

 

[skadistic]

Give them back pay and benifits that they've been screwed out of and throw their employers in jail.

Sure once they payback the billions in health care they cost the tax payer.

 

[JohnRM]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5291330#post5291330

I don't get it.

You should. I obviously don't respect Pasi due to his lack of manners and intelligence.

 

[Mark1031]

Sure once they payback the billions in health care they cost the tax payer.

They use no more in health care than a poor US citizen working for slave wages with no benifits. That is the point. The subsidy is not to the person but to the company that pays the low wages and gives no benifits. Illegals are in fact supporting soc. Security by paying in but not collecting.

 

[skadistic]

They use no more in health care than a poor US citizen working for slave wages with no benifits. That is the point. The subsidy is not to the person but to the company that pays the low wages and gives no benifits. Illegals are in fact supporting soc. Security by paying in but not collecting.

Those are all good points. To bad They are wrong. The only illegals paying into SS are the ones with fradulent SS numbers, a very small fraction of the millions here. Maybe you can also show whos making slave wages with no benifits. Remember slaves make nothing because they were slaves. So either use correct terminology instead of liberal catch phrases so your arguement atleast looks intelligent. And I don't mind paying for some US poor because they are citizens and here breaking law after law.

 

[candle86]

Uh, these are basic violations of human rights.

First, if a business owner feels his business will be better served by putting signs up in Spanish, and you feel that's wrong, you and your government can sod off.

Second, if the person in question cannot understand English, refusing him a translator is something the Nazis would have done. You're denying him due process, and every other human right in the book.

we are not denying him anything, to pass the US Citizenship test you have to be able to speak, read, and write basic english, if your caught over here and you cant speak english your either on a greencard or not supposed to be here, and either way you prolly will go home for any leagal issues you cause, yes you will get a fast ride back to your home land, or if its a hospital they will hire a translator and charge it on your bill.

He didn't say that. He just said signs. For those of us without a telekinetic link to his brainstem, it's difficult to read minds.



Uh, no. You cannot write off human rights like that. If you cannot in some way accommodate the person in question by providing him with a translator, you are violating his rights to due process, essentially falsely jailing, charging, and imprisoning him since he doesn't know what's going on and for all he know he was arrested for jaywalking. Any lawyer with a functioning brain cell would then sue the state on his behalf up the wing wang, costing the state millions if not tens of millions.

What exactly is so hard to understand about that?

Arizona state law disagrees, this has already been contested and was turned down already, sorry, but Arizona wins this one, and i agree with them, if you cant speak English why be in an english speaking nation?

 

[SG-17]

kick them out and make them come back legally.

 

[Zarn]

Make them legal and kick out the "border guards" on the Mexican border.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=5291330#post5291330

I don't get it.

Don't worry, let me spend a few minutes digging around for my Idiot-to-English dictionary and I'll be happy to translate John's posts for you.

 

[JollyRoger]

You have missed the point entirely.

Daniel Boone and David Crocket didn't pave away grasslands to make way for Wal-Marts.

They crossed into Mexico illegally to fight against the Mexican government.

 

[JollyRoger]

we are not denying him anything, to pass the US Citizenship test you have to be able to speak, read, and write basic english, if your caught over here and you cant speak english your either on a greencard or not supposed to be here, and either way you prolly will go home for any leagal issues you cause, yes you will get a fast ride back to your home land, or if its a hospital they will hire a translator and charge it on your bill.

Are you in the U.S. legally? The quoted post above makes many mistakes regarding what is accepted as proper written English.